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	<title>Comments on: Who Killed Madrigals?</title>
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		<title>By: A CI Follow up</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-19178</link>
		<dc:creator>A CI Follow up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CI publishes an article about this a few months later:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.www.claremontindependent.com/media/storage/paper1031/news/2009/12/15/Features/On.Madrigals-3851702.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Madrigals&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CI publishes an article about this a few months later:  <a href="http://media.www.claremontindependent.com/media/storage/paper1031/news/2009/12/15/Features/On.Madrigals-3851702.shtml" rel="nofollow">On Madrigals</a></p>
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		<title>By: A CI Follow up</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-49196</link>
		<dc:creator>A CI Follow up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CI publishes an article about this a few months later:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.www.claremontindependent.com/media/storage/paper1031/news/2009/12/15/Features/On.Madrigals-3851702.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Madrigals&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CI publishes an article about this a few months later:  <a href="http://media.www.claremontindependent.com/media/storage/paper1031/news/2009/12/15/Features/On.Madrigals-3851702.shtml" rel="nofollow">On Madrigals</a></p>
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		<title>By: CMCer'06</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-18766</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Yeah, a little late, a buddy just told me about this...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Yeah, a little late, a buddy just told me about this&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: CMCer'06</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-49195</link>
		<dc:creator>CMCer'06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Yeah, a little late, a buddy just told me about this...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Yeah, a little late, a buddy just told me about this&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: CMCer'06</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-18765</link>
		<dc:creator>CMCer'06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Madrigals every year at CMC and remember it being one of the best and unique parties our school had. The vomiting and rudeness to staff are clearly unacceptable, but, as the article notes, cancelling one of the school&#039;s only defining traditions??

Bring it back but adopt a clear &quot;one warning and you&#039;re out&quot; policy for the first two years. Heck, in the absolute extreme, maybe force ASCMC to put a deposit down ( the cost of a future party), and if the admin decides it went out of hand the students forfeit the deposit.

Also, if DoS people are reading this, as an alumnus, seeing these types of traditions and privileges taken away from the students makes me identify less with the school and feel like the administration has lost perspective; such impressions make me much less inclined to donate. If I get called this year I will donate, but I might put the condition that my money can only be used for Madrigals activities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Madrigals every year at CMC and remember it being one of the best and unique parties our school had. The vomiting and rudeness to staff are clearly unacceptable, but, as the article notes, cancelling one of the school&#8217;s only defining traditions??</p>
<p>Bring it back but adopt a clear &#8220;one warning and you&#8217;re out&#8221; policy for the first two years. Heck, in the absolute extreme, maybe force ASCMC to put a deposit down ( the cost of a future party), and if the admin decides it went out of hand the students forfeit the deposit.</p>
<p>Also, if DoS people are reading this, as an alumnus, seeing these types of traditions and privileges taken away from the students makes me identify less with the school and feel like the administration has lost perspective; such impressions make me much less inclined to donate. If I get called this year I will donate, but I might put the condition that my money can only be used for Madrigals activities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CMCer'06</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-49194</link>
		<dc:creator>CMCer'06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Madrigals every year at CMC and remember it being one of the best and unique parties our school had. The vomiting and rudeness to staff are clearly unacceptable, but, as the article notes, cancelling one of the school&#039;s only defining traditions??

Bring it back but adopt a clear &quot;one warning and you&#039;re out&quot; policy for the first two years. Heck, in the absolute extreme, maybe force ASCMC to put a deposit down ( the cost of a future party), and if the admin decides it went out of hand the students forfeit the deposit.

Also, if DoS people are reading this, as an alumnus, seeing these types of traditions and privileges taken away from the students makes me identify less with the school and feel like the administration has lost perspective; such impressions make me much less inclined to donate. If I get called this year I will donate, but I might put the condition that my money can only be used for Madrigals activities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Madrigals every year at CMC and remember it being one of the best and unique parties our school had. The vomiting and rudeness to staff are clearly unacceptable, but, as the article notes, cancelling one of the school&#8217;s only defining traditions??</p>
<p>Bring it back but adopt a clear &#8220;one warning and you&#8217;re out&#8221; policy for the first two years. Heck, in the absolute extreme, maybe force ASCMC to put a deposit down ( the cost of a future party), and if the admin decides it went out of hand the students forfeit the deposit.</p>
<p>Also, if DoS people are reading this, as an alumnus, seeing these types of traditions and privileges taken away from the students makes me identify less with the school and feel like the administration has lost perspective; such impressions make me much less inclined to donate. If I get called this year I will donate, but I might put the condition that my money can only be used for Madrigals activities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RTFC</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>RTFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously? i think it was said best here:

&quot;I think the Athenaeum and CMC&#039;s administration miss the target by seeing problems like this with students as endemic, long-lasting, and uncontrollable. It&#039;s a mistake that shows how disconnected some are by grouping and characterizing 1,211 students with phrases like &quot;they should learn.&quot; That&#039;s the kind of statement you make when taking away a five year old&#039;s toys if he can&#039;t learn to play nicely with them.

You can&#039;t expect to teach 1,211 students a lesson by ending a school tradition that most of them have never even seen in its full form. Institutional memory is very short at CMC, where 50% of the student body either enters or leaves every year.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously? i think it was said best here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the Athenaeum and CMC&#8217;s administration miss the target by seeing problems like this with students as endemic, long-lasting, and uncontrollable. It&#8217;s a mistake that shows how disconnected some are by grouping and characterizing 1,211 students with phrases like &#8220;they should learn.&#8221; That&#8217;s the kind of statement you make when taking away a five year old&#8217;s toys if he can&#8217;t learn to play nicely with them.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t expect to teach 1,211 students a lesson by ending a school tradition that most of them have never even seen in its full form. Institutional memory is very short at CMC, where 50% of the student body either enters or leaves every year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RTFC</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-49193</link>
		<dc:creator>RTFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously? i think it was said best here:

&quot;I think the Athenaeum and CMC&#039;s administration miss the target by seeing problems like this with students as endemic, long-lasting, and uncontrollable. It&#039;s a mistake that shows how disconnected some are by grouping and characterizing 1,211 students with phrases like &quot;they should learn.&quot; That&#039;s the kind of statement you make when taking away a five year old&#039;s toys if he can&#039;t learn to play nicely with them.

You can&#039;t expect to teach 1,211 students a lesson by ending a school tradition that most of them have never even seen in its full form. Institutional memory is very short at CMC, where 50% of the student body either enters or leaves every year.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously? i think it was said best here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the Athenaeum and CMC&#8217;s administration miss the target by seeing problems like this with students as endemic, long-lasting, and uncontrollable. It&#8217;s a mistake that shows how disconnected some are by grouping and characterizing 1,211 students with phrases like &#8220;they should learn.&#8221; That&#8217;s the kind of statement you make when taking away a five year old&#8217;s toys if he can&#8217;t learn to play nicely with them.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t expect to teach 1,211 students a lesson by ending a school tradition that most of them have never even seen in its full form. Institutional memory is very short at CMC, where 50% of the student body either enters or leaves every year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: False!!</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-17842</link>
		<dc:creator>False!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so you are aware.

Madrigals had been on the verge of being eliminated for some time now.  Why wasn&#039;t it till now? One the alumni did help keep it alive and two David and Bonnie kept hopes that CMCers would change. What finally killed it was that every year there was that one night where the majority of students there showed up drunk and out of control. So, maybe this year serves as an example and they&#039;ll bring it back next year with expectations that we have learned our lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you are aware.</p>
<p>Madrigals had been on the verge of being eliminated for some time now.  Why wasn&#8217;t it till now? One the alumni did help keep it alive and two David and Bonnie kept hopes that CMCers would change. What finally killed it was that every year there was that one night where the majority of students there showed up drunk and out of control. So, maybe this year serves as an example and they&#8217;ll bring it back next year with expectations that we have learned our lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: False!!</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/11062009-who-killed-madrigals#comment-49192</link>
		<dc:creator>False!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so you are aware.

Madrigals had been on the verge of being eliminated for some time now.  Why wasn&#039;t it till now? One the alumni did help keep it alive and two David and Bonnie kept hopes that CMCers would change. What finally killed it was that every year there was that one night where the majority of students there showed up drunk and out of control. So, maybe this year serves as an example and they&#039;ll bring it back next year with expectations that we have learned our lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you are aware.</p>
<p>Madrigals had been on the verge of being eliminated for some time now.  Why wasn&#8217;t it till now? One the alumni did help keep it alive and two David and Bonnie kept hopes that CMCers would change. What finally killed it was that every year there was that one night where the majority of students there showed up drunk and out of control. So, maybe this year serves as an example and they&#8217;ll bring it back next year with expectations that we have learned our lesson.</p>
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