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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Troubling Civil Liberties Record</title>
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		<title>By: Really?</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/07012009-obamas-troubling-civil-liberties-record#comment-11876</link>
		<dc:creator>Really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure he was joking. 

It was supposed to be stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure he was joking. </p>
<p>It was supposed to be stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: WTF</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/07012009-obamas-troubling-civil-liberties-record#comment-11799</link>
		<dc:creator>WTF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if his middle name is Hussein.&quot;
I&#039;m sorry, but what exactly was that supposed to mean? 

I don&#039;t get why so many of you are blissfully ignorant of how stupid you sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if his middle name is Hussein.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sorry, but what exactly was that supposed to mean? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get why so many of you are blissfully ignorant of how stupid you sound.</p>
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		<title>By: amusing</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/07012009-obamas-troubling-civil-liberties-record#comment-11471</link>
		<dc:creator>amusing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t hold Obama&#039;s feet to the fire! That&#039;s torture and it&#039;s inhumane or something. Even if his middle name is Hussein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t hold Obama&#8217;s feet to the fire! That&#8217;s torture and it&#8217;s inhumane or something. Even if his middle name is Hussein.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Atwater</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/07012009-obamas-troubling-civil-liberties-record#comment-11112</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Atwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...will help America regain moral leadership in foreign affairs.&quot; 

Charlie I think in your article there is an implicit severe misappropriation of what constitutes America&#039;s moral leadership.  It is not some sort of shining standard of morality that America has generally adhered to.  A quick examination of our history will reveal that that is simply not the case.  Rather it is the fact that when we do slip, we have these self examining moments: the light of our society shines on our Watergates and exposes corruption.  That&#039;s the reason we&#039;re the shining city on the hill.  

Yes Obama has kept in place many of Bush&#039;s policies, but Bush+nuance equates to the self reflection that makes America great.  Further saying that Obama is in large part mirroring Bush neglects how far Bush&#039;s policies changed from 2002-2008.  A big reason Cheney has been so critical of Obama&#039;s policies is that he was taken out of the national security loop in Bush&#039;s second term (witness the lack of waterboarding, rise in trials, etc.).  These changes are institutional and take time.  Regardless I would urge you not to push Obama towards some Carteresque idealistic foreign policy but instead recognize that these are some very tricky issues when you get to the mechanics of the thing.  I mean if not Bagram or an equivalent, where the hell should we put these guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;will help America regain moral leadership in foreign affairs.&#8221; </p>
<p>Charlie I think in your article there is an implicit severe misappropriation of what constitutes America&#8217;s moral leadership.  It is not some sort of shining standard of morality that America has generally adhered to.  A quick examination of our history will reveal that that is simply not the case.  Rather it is the fact that when we do slip, we have these self examining moments: the light of our society shines on our Watergates and exposes corruption.  That&#8217;s the reason we&#8217;re the shining city on the hill.  </p>
<p>Yes Obama has kept in place many of Bush&#8217;s policies, but Bush+nuance equates to the self reflection that makes America great.  Further saying that Obama is in large part mirroring Bush neglects how far Bush&#8217;s policies changed from 2002-2008.  A big reason Cheney has been so critical of Obama&#8217;s policies is that he was taken out of the national security loop in Bush&#8217;s second term (witness the lack of waterboarding, rise in trials, etc.).  These changes are institutional and take time.  Regardless I would urge you not to push Obama towards some Carteresque idealistic foreign policy but instead recognize that these are some very tricky issues when you get to the mechanics of the thing.  I mean if not Bagram or an equivalent, where the hell should we put these guys?</p>
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		<title>By: Fortunately</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/07012009-obamas-troubling-civil-liberties-record#comment-11087</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortunately</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bagram is as bad as Gitmo, we have nothing to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bagram is as bad as Gitmo, we have nothing to worry about.</p>
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