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		<title>By: Charles C. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/05142009-frary-boycott-and-liberal-tactics#comment-8313</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles C. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Charlie. 

I have some video that shows what happened. 

http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Charlie. </p>
<p>I have some video that shows what happened. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles C. Johnson</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/05142009-frary-boycott-and-liberal-tactics#comment-47636</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles C. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Charlie. 

I have some video that shows what happened. 

http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Charlie. </p>
<p>I have some video that shows what happened. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/05/anatomy-of-protest-pomona-students-try.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/05142009-frary-boycott-and-liberal-tactics#comment-8244</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I wish I ate at Frary that night... no lines on Taco Tuesday?!  Nobody taking my burrito?  Amazing.

But really, why do Pomona students care so much about cutting dining hall staff?   I&#039;m assuming it isn&#039;t about the quality of service declining due to a lack of staff and is about helping workers continue to maintain a living wage, if they even make one.

The problem is there&#039;s too much of an abstraction between students&#039; money and the workers&#039; pay.  Let&#039;s say Sodexho (Pomona, Scripps, and Mudd&#039;s food service provider) cut four jobs at Pomona at ~$30,000 each.  That&#039;s $120,000 or ~$80 per student.  Sure, students are happy to say that &quot;the school&quot; should pay those workers, but that money comes mostly from students now that the endowment is wearing it.  

So, by that logic, would every student happily fork over an extra $60 of their own money to keep those three workers for the sake of the workers having a salary?  If so, why not just give it to those workers as welfare?  Would they do the same thing if there were professor layoffs?  Layoffs at In n Out? Chipotle? What&#039;s the difference-- isn&#039;t the relationship the same: consumer (student) and firm (Frary)?

Maybe it would be interesting to see a ranking of priorities by students-- what should be cut first, what should be cut last?  Personally, I&#039;d put dining hall staff first if the effect on me is not worth $80.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I wish I ate at Frary that night&#8230; no lines on Taco Tuesday?!  Nobody taking my burrito?  Amazing.</p>
<p>But really, why do Pomona students care so much about cutting dining hall staff?   I&#8217;m assuming it isn&#8217;t about the quality of service declining due to a lack of staff and is about helping workers continue to maintain a living wage, if they even make one.</p>
<p>The problem is there&#8217;s too much of an abstraction between students&#8217; money and the workers&#8217; pay.  Let&#8217;s say Sodexho (Pomona, Scripps, and Mudd&#8217;s food service provider) cut four jobs at Pomona at ~$30,000 each.  That&#8217;s $120,000 or ~$80 per student.  Sure, students are happy to say that &#8220;the school&#8221; should pay those workers, but that money comes mostly from students now that the endowment is wearing it.  </p>
<p>So, by that logic, would every student happily fork over an extra $60 of their own money to keep those three workers for the sake of the workers having a salary?  If so, why not just give it to those workers as welfare?  Would they do the same thing if there were professor layoffs?  Layoffs at In n Out? Chipotle? What&#8217;s the difference&#8211; isn&#8217;t the relationship the same: consumer (student) and firm (Frary)?</p>
<p>Maybe it would be interesting to see a ranking of priorities by students&#8211; what should be cut first, what should be cut last?  Personally, I&#8217;d put dining hall staff first if the effect on me is not worth $80.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/05142009-frary-boycott-and-liberal-tactics#comment-47635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I wish I ate at Frary that night... no lines on Taco Tuesday?!  Nobody taking my burrito?  Amazing.

But really, why do Pomona students care so much about cutting dining hall staff?   I&#039;m assuming it isn&#039;t about the quality of service declining due to a lack of staff and is about helping workers continue to maintain a living wage, if they even make one.

The problem is there&#039;s too much of an abstraction between students&#039; money and the workers&#039; pay.  Let&#039;s say Sodexho (Pomona, Scripps, and Mudd&#039;s food service provider) cut four jobs at Pomona at ~$30,000 each.  That&#039;s $120,000 or ~$80 per student.  Sure, students are happy to say that &quot;the school&quot; should pay those workers, but that money comes mostly from students now that the endowment is wearing it.  

So, by that logic, would every student happily fork over an extra $60 of their own money to keep those three workers for the sake of the workers having a salary?  If so, why not just give it to those workers as welfare?  Would they do the same thing if there were professor layoffs?  Layoffs at In n Out? Chipotle? What&#039;s the difference-- isn&#039;t the relationship the same: consumer (student) and firm (Frary)?

Maybe it would be interesting to see a ranking of priorities by students-- what should be cut first, what should be cut last?  Personally, I&#039;d put dining hall staff first if the effect on me is not worth $80.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I wish I ate at Frary that night&#8230; no lines on Taco Tuesday?!  Nobody taking my burrito?  Amazing.</p>
<p>But really, why do Pomona students care so much about cutting dining hall staff?   I&#8217;m assuming it isn&#8217;t about the quality of service declining due to a lack of staff and is about helping workers continue to maintain a living wage, if they even make one.</p>
<p>The problem is there&#8217;s too much of an abstraction between students&#8217; money and the workers&#8217; pay.  Let&#8217;s say Sodexho (Pomona, Scripps, and Mudd&#8217;s food service provider) cut four jobs at Pomona at ~$30,000 each.  That&#8217;s $120,000 or ~$80 per student.  Sure, students are happy to say that &#8220;the school&#8221; should pay those workers, but that money comes mostly from students now that the endowment is wearing it.  </p>
<p>So, by that logic, would every student happily fork over an extra $60 of their own money to keep those three workers for the sake of the workers having a salary?  If so, why not just give it to those workers as welfare?  Would they do the same thing if there were professor layoffs?  Layoffs at In n Out? Chipotle? What&#8217;s the difference&#8211; isn&#8217;t the relationship the same: consumer (student) and firm (Frary)?</p>
<p>Maybe it would be interesting to see a ranking of priorities by students&#8211; what should be cut first, what should be cut last?  Personally, I&#8217;d put dining hall staff first if the effect on me is not worth $80.</p>
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		<title>By: Still Feeling Guilt from Pedro</title>
		<link>http://cmcforum.com/opinion/05142009-frary-boycott-and-liberal-tactics#comment-8187</link>
		<dc:creator>Still Feeling Guilt from Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the aggressiveness of this boycott was to &quot;make up&quot; for the failure that was the Pomona student committee&#039;s involvement in the Pedro situation. And there is still a lot more to be resolved there which the student committee should answer to and should be embarrassed by. . 

That being said, I will give examples of what the aggresive protestors did and how they engaged the public. 

I have no idea about the future budget cuts issue, but the protestors I encountered told me they were protesting since summer hours were being cut. That is important as I will show below. 

1) She told me nobody was in Frary, when at least a dozen people were visibly seated

2) Another one was talking to a service worker who was saying how hours always get cut during the summer. The protestor then did her spiel on worker&#039;s rights, completely ignoring any points brought up by the actual long time service worker. 
 
3) My girl physically impeded me from entering Frary somuchso that I had to ask her to move to get inside. She was cute, but she was a chubster (not mutually exclusive) , so I can&#039;t say if she blocked me on purpose. It was the one with the black hair. if anyone knows her name, I&#039;d love to ask her on a date. 

So, their tactics were fibbing to the public, not listening to the worker&#039;s they represent, and potentially purposefully blocking entrance to Frary. I&#039;ve had to deal with the media before and I&#039;ve attended and organized quite a few protests and events, but this is not the way to win people over. All it does is take away from what used to be a legitimate student group which tried to help out the workers. Now they are simply aggressive socialist pigs who ignored the Pedro situation and whom have not followed up on anything or verified their facts, and who now want to make up for their previous failures by being jerks and making a scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the aggressiveness of this boycott was to &#8220;make up&#8221; for the failure that was the Pomona student committee&#8217;s involvement in the Pedro situation. And there is still a lot more to be resolved there which the student committee should answer to and should be embarrassed by. . </p>
<p>That being said, I will give examples of what the aggresive protestors did and how they engaged the public. </p>
<p>I have no idea about the future budget cuts issue, but the protestors I encountered told me they were protesting since summer hours were being cut. That is important as I will show below. </p>
<p>1) She told me nobody was in Frary, when at least a dozen people were visibly seated</p>
<p>2) Another one was talking to a service worker who was saying how hours always get cut during the summer. The protestor then did her spiel on worker&#8217;s rights, completely ignoring any points brought up by the actual long time service worker. </p>
<p>3) My girl physically impeded me from entering Frary somuchso that I had to ask her to move to get inside. She was cute, but she was a chubster (not mutually exclusive) , so I can&#8217;t say if she blocked me on purpose. It was the one with the black hair. if anyone knows her name, I&#8217;d love to ask her on a date. </p>
<p>So, their tactics were fibbing to the public, not listening to the worker&#8217;s they represent, and potentially purposefully blocking entrance to Frary. I&#8217;ve had to deal with the media before and I&#8217;ve attended and organized quite a few protests and events, but this is not the way to win people over. All it does is take away from what used to be a legitimate student group which tried to help out the workers. Now they are simply aggressive socialist pigs who ignored the Pedro situation and whom have not followed up on anything or verified their facts, and who now want to make up for their previous failures by being jerks and making a scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Still Feeling Guilt from Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Feeling Guilt from Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the aggressiveness of this boycott was to &quot;make up&quot; for the failure that was the Pomona student committee&#039;s involvement in the Pedro situation. And there is still a lot more to be resolved there which the student committee should answer to and should be embarrassed by. . 

That being said, I will give examples of what the aggresive protestors did and how they engaged the public. 

I have no idea about the future budget cuts issue, but the protestors I encountered told me they were protesting since summer hours were being cut. That is important as I will show below. 

1) She told me nobody was in Frary, when at least a dozen people were visibly seated

2) Another one was talking to a service worker who was saying how hours always get cut during the summer. The protestor then did her spiel on worker&#039;s rights, completely ignoring any points brought up by the actual long time service worker. 
 
3) My girl physically impeded me from entering Frary somuchso that I had to ask her to move to get inside. She was cute, but she was a chubster (not mutually exclusive) , so I can&#039;t say if she blocked me on purpose. It was the one with the black hair. if anyone knows her name, I&#039;d love to ask her on a date. 

So, their tactics were fibbing to the public, not listening to the worker&#039;s they represent, and potentially purposefully blocking entrance to Frary. I&#039;ve had to deal with the media before and I&#039;ve attended and organized quite a few protests and events, but this is not the way to win people over. All it does is take away from what used to be a legitimate student group which tried to help out the workers. Now they are simply aggressive socialist pigs who ignored the Pedro situation and whom have not followed up on anything or verified their facts, and who now want to make up for their previous failures by being jerks and making a scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the aggressiveness of this boycott was to &#8220;make up&#8221; for the failure that was the Pomona student committee&#8217;s involvement in the Pedro situation. And there is still a lot more to be resolved there which the student committee should answer to and should be embarrassed by. . </p>
<p>That being said, I will give examples of what the aggresive protestors did and how they engaged the public. </p>
<p>I have no idea about the future budget cuts issue, but the protestors I encountered told me they were protesting since summer hours were being cut. That is important as I will show below. </p>
<p>1) She told me nobody was in Frary, when at least a dozen people were visibly seated</p>
<p>2) Another one was talking to a service worker who was saying how hours always get cut during the summer. The protestor then did her spiel on worker&#8217;s rights, completely ignoring any points brought up by the actual long time service worker. </p>
<p>3) My girl physically impeded me from entering Frary somuchso that I had to ask her to move to get inside. She was cute, but she was a chubster (not mutually exclusive) , so I can&#8217;t say if she blocked me on purpose. It was the one with the black hair. if anyone knows her name, I&#8217;d love to ask her on a date. </p>
<p>So, their tactics were fibbing to the public, not listening to the worker&#8217;s they represent, and potentially purposefully blocking entrance to Frary. I&#8217;ve had to deal with the media before and I&#8217;ve attended and organized quite a few protests and events, but this is not the way to win people over. All it does is take away from what used to be a legitimate student group which tried to help out the workers. Now they are simply aggressive socialist pigs who ignored the Pedro situation and whom have not followed up on anything or verified their facts, and who now want to make up for their previous failures by being jerks and making a scene.</p>
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