Comments on: The Politics of Outrage http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage The Official Student Publication of Claremont McKenna College Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: This Week in the CMC Sandbox | The Forum http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-7175 This Week in the CMC Sandbox | The Forum Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:30:57 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-7175 [...] the nail on the head. I know you’re not supposed to say I told you so, but this all goes back to my earlier point: Charles may exemplify what is wrong with campus discourse – the existence of this pack of little [...] [...] the nail on the head. I know you’re not supposed to say I told you so, but this all goes back to my earlier point: Charles may exemplify what is wrong with campus discourse – the existence of this pack of little [...]

]]> By: Charlie Sprague http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-4999 Charlie Sprague Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:30:30 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-4999 Patrick - I am going to keep this comment short by largely saying that I agree with Brad Walters' post: citizens should feel and express their outrage if they believe fundamental liberties are under attack. You may disagree when outrage is appropriate, it seems you are not sympathetic to the position that the passage of prop 8 denied Californians a fundamental liberty, but you can't deny the importance of outrage generally. Patrick – I am going to keep this comment short by largely saying that I agree with Brad Walters’ post: citizens should feel and express their outrage if they believe fundamental liberties are under attack. You may disagree when outrage is appropriate, it seems you are not sympathetic to the position that the passage of prop 8 denied Californians a fundamental liberty, but you can’t deny the importance of outrage generally.

]]> By: Charles Johnson (Or Should I Say Don Quixote) http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-4949 Charles Johnson (Or Should I Say Don Quixote) Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:25:10 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-4949 http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/02/response-to-forums-request-for-civility.html http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/02/response-to-forums-request-for-civility.html

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]]> By: Charles Johnson (Or Should I S http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-46829 Charles Johnson (Or Should I S Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:25:00 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-46829 http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/02/response-to-forums-request-for-civility.html http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/02/response-to-forums-request-for-civility.html

]]> By: Aron Khurana http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-4947 Aron Khurana Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:36:30 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-4947 Liberal or conservative, agree or disagree, after the yelling subsides you should be able to walk over, shake someone's hand, and tell them, "I'm glad we're all Americans and can yell whatever we like at each other." Liberal or conservative, agree or disagree, after the yelling subsides you should be able to walk over, shake someone’s hand, and tell them, “I’m glad we’re all Americans and can yell whatever we like at each other.”

]]> By: Aron Khurana http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-4946 Aron Khurana Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:34:22 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-4946 I think yelling and outrage can be entertaining. The Rove protest, although disgusting and ignorant, did provide for an exciting climate that I had never before experienced at CMC. There was an energy in the air that made it feel like college in the 70's and I loved it. As for prop 8, is it outrageous or did the vote reflect the values of the California populace? I think yelling and outrage can be entertaining. The Rove protest, although disgusting and ignorant, did provide for an exciting climate that I had never before experienced at CMC. There was an energy in the air that made it feel like college in the 70′s and I loved it. As for prop 8, is it outrageous or did the vote reflect the values of the California populace?

]]> By: Brad Walters http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-4945 Brad Walters Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:45:08 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-4945 Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are. When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It's debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of "outrage-worthy causes," but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist. Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I'll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake. Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are.

When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It’s debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of “outrage-worthy causes,” but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist.

Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I’ll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake.

]]> By: Brad Walters http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-46826 Brad Walters Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:45:00 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-46826 Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are. When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It's debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of "outrage-worthy causes," but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist. Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I'll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake. Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are.

When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It’s debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of “outrage-worthy causes,” but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist.

Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I’ll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake.

]]> By: Brad Walters http://cmcforum.com/opinion/02252009-the-politics-of-outrage#comment-46827 Brad Walters Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:45:00 +0000 http://cmcforum.com/?p=1785#comment-46827 Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are. When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It's debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of "outrage-worthy causes," but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist. Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I'll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake. Your underlying message is strong and reasonable, Patrick. Your specific examples are not. The distinction arises because you suggest that outrage and yelling are never warranted or effective. They usually are not, but occasionally are.

When citizens take on issues that pertain to fundamental liberties, outrageous reactions are often necessary to properly expose the extreme nature of the opposition. Did Prop 8 concern fundamental liberties? It’s debatable. Did Karl Rove work toward the destruction of fundamental liberties? Also debatable. But for those who believe a violation of such liberties occurred, the only appropriate reaction is outrage. Anything less would undercut the seriousness of the issue. You can debate whether they fall into the category of “outrage-worthy causes,” but I do not accept the argument that such causes do not exist.

Barry Goldwater, god love him, said it right: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

As a general rule, moderation is a wonderful thing. Calm debate is almost always fantastic. But if a fundamental right is being threatened, I’ll be standing on a soapbox, yelling outrageously. At least the world will understand something serious is at stake.

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