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By: After Fountain Scare, DOS Walks Thin Line « The Forum

After Fountain Scare, DOS Walks Thin Line « The Forum — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:24:07 +0000

[...] for socializing without alcohol. Students are capable of self-policing and feel comfortable criticizing their peers’ poor judgment. For most of its history, CMC has successfully discouraged drunk driving and alcohol poisonings by [...]

By: Concerned

Concerned — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:52:01 +0000

I agree with Matt F. Despite the reality that parties (and even bars) are all within walking distance, there are many students who drive drunk. What’s even worse is that these students drive drunk to do the stupidest things, like go to AMPM or In N Out. And students totally tolerate it. I’m horrified when I see someone admit that they drive drunk sometimes and then see everyone around them just giggle about it. Unfortunately it will probably take a serious incident to have the privileged idiots at this school finally think twice before getting behind the wheel. Even then, I suppose that their parent’s pricey lawyers will be able to rescue them from any meaningful consequences, as I have seen happen in many Claremont students’ DUI cases in the past. Ridiculous.

By: Concerned

Concerned — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:52:00 +0000

By: Matt F

Matt F — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:57:54 +0000

Fair point. Though I’d argue that I did intervene (made sure they were safe, made sure they would not be doing any more damage in that vehicle, and made sure the authorities were located) and I don’t believe turning intoxicated students into the authorities is necessarily a way to stop future behavior. They either get a lecture or get reprimanded, but the heinous nature of their crime “joke” doesn’t get imprinted. Instead, some authority figure is preaching about something stupid they did while drunk, and the students write it off as a drunk accident and don’t address the root problem.

Instead, once sober, they hopefully realized the brevity of what they did and how lucky they were to not get in trouble and chalk it up to a more personal mistake and recognize their weakness. .

I think both your view and mine are reasonable so I’ll leave it at that, but I wouldn’t go so far as calling someone part of the problem because they didn’t actively try to get some immature drunk students in trouble.

By: Matt F

Matt F — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:57:00 +0000

Instead, once sober, they hopefully realized the brevity of what they did and how lucky they were to not get in trouble and chalk it up to a more personal mistake and recognize their weakness. .

By: Keith McCammon

Keith McCammon — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:26:36 +0000

Hey Matt F,

I see a contradiction in your paired outrage that CMCers aren’t intervening and your personal non-intervention (not telling the authorities) because you don’t want to be a snitch.

A snitch? This isn’t fourth grade, people are dying. Man up – you’re part of the problem.

Keith McCammon

By: Keith McCammon

Keith McCammon — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:26:00 +0000

Hey Matt F,

I see a contradiction in your paired outrage that CMCers aren’t intervening and your personal non-intervention (not telling the authorities) because you don’t want to be a snitch.

A snitch? This isn’t fourth grade, people are dying. Man up – you’re part of the problem.

Keith McCammon

By: Dan Evans

Dan Evans — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:36:46 +0000

CMC’s alcohol policy is actually pretty safe compared to other places. Schools that don’t allow any alcohol in the dorms are encouraging students to drink off campus, making the likelihood of drinking and driving higher.

By: Dan Evans

Dan Evans — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:36:00 +0000

By: fraidy cat

fraidy cat — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:50:19 +0000

what exactly would you like such a discussion to entail re: drunk driving?

you’ll either get everyone saying “OMG, drunk driving is bad”–obviously a reasonable and correct response– or you’ll get random trolls saying, “real north quad chiefs drive crossfaded.” I think that the post is dead on–there is a significant problem of people saying “I can handle it.” but what other discussion is there to be had, other than the ones above?

good luck having to have a serious conversation on the internet. if only anonymity bred reasonable honesty. hopefully those that read the article will think twice before driving drunk in the future.