Why is Pam Gann President?

 

I don’t think it’s an unreasonable question. Claremont is a special place. More than a mere school, CMC trains future leaders, combining the breadth and analytical rigor of a liberal arts education with an emphasis on practical application.  Claremont McKenna makes students apply theory in everyday and real world situations, from the Atheneum to our school’s many research institutes to building social capital at TNC. Most importantly, that wonderful pedagogical experience takes places in a warm, nurturing community. As Professor Pitney has said, “It’s a place where everyone knows your name.” Personally, I think such a special place deserves a special president.

Beyond satisfying the typical requirements of an elite liberal arts college, CMC deserves a president who thoroughly appreciates and is committed to what makes it special: its unique brand of liberal arts education and the intimate, nurturing atmosphere that it affords.  Crucially, this requires professors and administrators to interact with students at more than a formal level. Yet I don’t know anyone who thinks Pam Gann knows their name, let alone them as a person. Maybe it’s different for the ASCMC crowd or the hyperactive on campus, but it seems that us mere mortals don’t register on her radar.

As a part of being on the football team, I’ve been forced able to go to the IRanWithGann event the past three years at CMC.[i] Besides getting an awesome selection of free t-shirts, this has also illuminated Gann’s relationship with the student body. First of all, this is one of the few times each year that I see her walking around on campus—let alone talk to students. More damningly, at the 5K, her conversations with students always seem to be of the “What’s your name/major?” variety. You’d think at some point she’d run into a student whose name she already knew or whose major she actually remembered. It’s hard to escape the feeling that she’s there to check a box (“See Board of Trustees! I told you I care about the student body!”) rather than have a genuine interaction with students.  Perhaps, though, this is just me being biased.

I suppose that could be forgiven. Over the past four years, my love for CMC has outgrown my demands for what it does for me. But more disappointing, I don’t see that same love of CMC, that wholehearted embrace of what makes the school special, in Pam Gann.  It may sound corny, but when she talks about the school, I don’t see a twinkle in her eye. Gann speaks highly about CMC, but her comments often feel like they would fit any elite liberal arts college. She praises our small classes sizes, our great professors, our selectivity, but always seems to miss the part about things that make CMC special.

In her first convocation, Pam talked about the how CMC fits into the broader higher education landscape and the importance of branding in “outrunning” the competition. This would have been a perfect place to talk about CMC’s unique attributes. Glaringly, though, she doesn’t even allude to the special character of the school. The implication is that we’re a liberal arts school like any other, struggling to (1) to be within the group of “brand name” colleges and universities; and (2) to compete effectively within this “brand name” group for students, faculty, and resources. The same speech would have worked at Amherst, Williams, or even Pomona.

At this point in the conversation, a voice of reason will often say “Yeah, but at least she’s raised a lot of money.” That is true. But money is not raised in a vacuum, and one person is not responsible for all of an institution’s fundraising success. Furthermore, our alumni population is getting older. It seems reasonable to think that older alumni 1) have more money since they’ve been able to work more years and 2) are more likely to donate money because, to put the matter bluntly, they want to have an impact on something they care about before they die. The steady increase in annual donations in the chart below seems to evidence this story. There is more volatility after Pam becomes president, but there isn’t a marked increase in donations over the trend line.

At a personal level, I don’t have any particular problem with President Gann. She hasn’t done anything outrageous or grossly failed in her duties as president. But CMC is much more than a typical liberal arts college and deserves much more than a typical president. At a dinner honoring Gann for her ten years of service to the College this past December, former CMC president Jack Stark thanked her for what she didn’t do: change the character of the school. But I think CMC deserves better. CMC deserves a president that doesn’t make its students question whether the president cares about them. CMC deserves a President that is firmly committed to keeping CMC a special place.

Pam Gann, simply put, fails those standards. For that dinner honoring Gann, the administration tried to film a series of students being asked questions about Pam Gann’s life and what they thought about her. According to Dean Huang, they had to scrap the project, however, because apparently not enough students said nice things. To me, that’s pretty damning. Out of a school of 1200+ students, we couldn’t cobble together enough pro-Gann students to make a two-minute video. Perhaps, I’m going a bit overboard, though, and you feel that Pam Gann actually does a decent job as president. But shouldn’t CMC, as our government department would say, strive for excellence?

Caption: This graph shows the total amount of alumni giving that went into the operating budget in a given year. It notably excludes large donations that go to things like a new buildings or a new Robert A. Day Master of Finance program. Those large gifts often take multiple years to negotiate and structure and thus are affected differently by factors like the economy, alumni aging, or a new president. The purpose of this graph is not to prove that President Gann fails as a fundraiser. Rather I am merely trying to show that under this basic fundraising metric she does not surpass the trend. Following her inauguration in late 1990s, support from alumni giving has mostly kept with its rising trajectory set by earlier presidents. Thus, deciding whether President Gann is doing an exceptional job fundraising depends on the degree to which she impacted recent large donations. But to answer that, we’d need to look inside Robert Day’s head, which I, unfortunately, do not have the ability to do.


[i] This year, though, the event was canceled because of the fires.  Incidentally, football practice was not.

 
 
 
  • CMCer

    Eh, this feels more like whining. You’d be hard pressed to find a President that associates with it’s students at all, much less give a damn what they think or even ask about their major, to be honest.

    It sounds like an “Ohhhh, we’re an elite liberal arts college, we deserve some special President that no other college has.”

    Just face facts and suck it up that college presidents don’t act the way you think they should. Even if it’s at such a “special, elite school”. And I put quotes around that because of the rediculous bias in your article.

    CMC is a good school. So what? The President should meet your expectations? Give some examples of any President from any other college that meets your expectations? Or is your opinion of the school so high and mighty that no one cuts it?

    • $$$$$

      Might I just add that Pam Gann is one of the top five highest paid liberal arts college presidents in the country, making almost $500k in pay, perks, and expense accounts. So maybe it’s not that unreasonable for Patrick to ask for more from her…

      • CMCer

        Notice that that little ditty on how much she is paid (which actually isn’t all that rediculous, when you see the pay of many, more inept college Presidents) isn’t mentioned at all in this article.

    • CMCer 2.0

      Maybe CMC isn’t such an elite school if its students are incapable of spelling the word ‘ridiculous’ correctly, not once, but twice, with the convenient spell checker available within their web browser.

      Nice.

      • CMCer

        Oh, good one. My apologies for not truly caring about my spelling details on the “forum”, which is worthless in the long run.

        So, besides that, what else you got? Nice try, bub.

    • We_are_special

      I think his extremely biased article speaks towards his point. If CMC as a school has the ability to make students such as the author admire CMC this much, it is a special place; such a special place deserves a president who doesn’t just like the school, but adores it.

      And don’t give me that shit about “other students love their schools too, they don’t have presidents like that”. Just because others don’t have a president who loves their school, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.

  • CMCer

    Eh, this feels more like whining. You’d be hard pressed to find a President that associates with it’s students at all, much less give a damn what they think or even ask about their major, to be honest.

    It sounds like an “Ohhhh, we’re an elite liberal arts college, we deserve some special President that no other college has.”

    Just face facts and suck it up that college presidents don’t act the way you think they should. Even if it’s at such a “special, elite school”. And I put quotes around that because of the rediculous bias in your article.

    CMC is a good school. So what? The President should meet your expectations? Give some examples of any President from any other college that meets your expectations? Or is your opinion of the school so high and mighty that no one cuts it?

    • $$$$$

      Might I just add that Pam Gann is one of the top five highest paid liberal arts college presidents in the country, making almost $500k in pay, perks, and expense accounts. So maybe it’s not that unreasonable for Patrick to ask for more from her…

      • CMCer

        Notice that that little ditty on how much she is paid (which actually isn’t all that rediculous, when you see the pay of many, more inept college Presidents) isn’t mentioned at all in this article.

    • CMCer 2.0

      Maybe CMC isn’t such an elite school if its students are incapable of spelling the word ‘ridiculous’ correctly, not once, but twice, with the convenient spell checker available within their web browser.

      Nice.

      • CMCer

        Oh, good one. My apologies for not truly caring about my spelling details on the “forum”, which is worthless in the long run.

        So, besides that, what else you got? Nice try, bub.

  • Other CMCer

    Cough Jack Stark Cough

  • Other CMCer

    Cough Jack Stark Cough

  • bigchris1313

    You’ve really done it this time, Patrick. You just couldn’t let it go. You had to keep asking questions.

    When you wake up in a black prison in the South Caucasus, owned by the Azerbaijani government, run by Blackwater USA, and overseen by cold-eyed men in charcoal suits who claim to work for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  • bigchris1313

    You’ve really done it this time, Patrick. You just couldn’t let it go. You had to keep asking questions.

    When you wake up in a black prison in the South Caucasus, owned by the Azerbaijani government, run by Blackwater USA, and overseen by cold-eyed men in charcoal suits who claim to work for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  • Neal

    At least she’s a hotty though…..

  • Neal

    At least she’s a hotty though…..

  • Joshua Redel

    I’m not sure what kind of regression you ran, but your “trend line” either has a structural break in 2003 or isn’t exactly linear.

  • Joshua Redel

    I’m not sure what kind of regression you ran, but your “trend line” either has a structural break in 2003 or isn’t exactly linear.

  • Chart?

    According to me, it looks like the chart significantly jumps as soon as Pam Gann was inaugurated. Her first year I think was the 99-00 year and apart from the 02-03 drop, we’ve risen from less than 2.5 mil and year to an average of about 4.5-5 mil in the last six years. Even if you continue the projection from before Gann, it looks like we’d be a tad under 4 mil a year, and have missed out on that extra .5-1 mil a year for the last 6 years. But I’m just eyeballing this so my numbers may be off.

    Plus think of the huge gifts that were brought in. She snagged the largest gift ever given to a liberal arts college and in my time here, has also snagged a 20 mil gift from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and some smaller yet significant multi million dollar gifts. True, I barely know her and I wish she’d make herself more available to students, but if she spends her lunches raising money from alums, thats fine by me.

    • Trend

      I think the point is that CMCs alumni giving was trending up before she became president, so we shouldn’t give her credit if it continues up at roughly the same rate after she became president.

  • Chart?

    According to me, it looks like the chart significantly jumps as soon as Pam Gann was inaugurated. Her first year I think was the 99-00 year and apart from the 02-03 drop, we’ve risen from less than 2.5 mil and year to an average of about 4.5-5 mil in the last six years. Even if you continue the projection from before Gann, it looks like we’d be a tad under 4 mil a year, and have missed out on that extra .5-1 mil a year for the last 6 years. But I’m just eyeballing this so my numbers may be off.

    Plus think of the huge gifts that were brought in. She snagged the largest gift ever given to a liberal arts college and in my time here, has also snagged a 20 mil gift from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and some smaller yet significant multi million dollar gifts. True, I barely know her and I wish she’d make herself more available to students, but if she spends her lunches raising money from alums, thats fine by me.

    • Trend

      I think the point is that CMCs alumni giving was trending up before she became president, so we shouldn’t give her credit if it continues up at roughly the same rate after she became president.

  • Josh Siegel

    It’s true that she doesn’t know anyone’s name — I’ve “met” her nearly a dozen times and it’s like meeting someone with Alzheimer’s each time I introduce myself — but I really don’t care. She isn’t good with names. At least she remembers what Isayas looks like and calls him “the student president.”

    She delegates student relationships to the Dean of Students office. And if the forthcoming “Dean Huang is my homeboy” t-shirts tphan11 is making prove something, it’s that our President is very good at choosing and retaining people to delegate her responsibilities.

    At least she makes an effort on the surface. She attends the bigger name Athenaeum dinners, hosts dinners with students at her house, goes on the rare hike up Mt. Baldy with students, etc.. My bet is she’s afraid to do much more because it often backfires in some way.

  • Josh Siegel

    It’s true that she doesn’t know anyone’s name — I’ve “met” her nearly a dozen times and it’s like meeting someone with Alzheimer’s each time I introduce myself — but I really don’t care. She isn’t good with names. At least she remembers what Isayas looks like and calls him “the student president.”

    She delegates student relationships to the Dean of Students office. And if the forthcoming “Dean Huang is my homeboy” t-shirts tphan11 is making prove something, it’s that our President is very good at choosing and retaining people to delegate her responsibilities.

    At least she makes an effort on the surface. She attends the bigger name Athenaeum dinners, hosts dinners with students at her house, goes on the rare hike up Mt. Baldy with students, etc.. My bet is she’s afraid to do much more because it often backfires in some way.

  • Groucho Marx

    agree with CMCer below

  • Groucho Marx

    agree with CMCer below

  • Bring Back Jack Stark!

    Well at least we can dream…

  • Bring Back Jack Stark!

    Well at least we can dream…

  • Thomas Paine

    As for the guy that complained that the graphical result is nonlinear: of course it’s nonlinear, as deaths are nonlinear. You get a very long tail from when people are born, which gradually increases until people are about 50. Then the heart attacks kick in and it goes up a bit, and then the probability that you die is maximized around 77 and declines much steeper after that, since almost nobody lives to be past 100.

    School founded 1946. Figure most people graduate when they are 22. Avg. Life expectancy, 77.7 years in the US (slightly shorter for men, actually, so I’m giving her more credit). That means that the first year where half the graduating class should have died was… 2001. Humm. So, if fundraising is tied to Alumni deaths…

  • Thomas Paine

    As for the guy that complained that the graphical result is nonlinear: of course it’s nonlinear, as deaths are nonlinear. You get a very long tail from when people are born, which gradually increases until people are about 50. Then the heart attacks kick in and it goes up a bit, and then the probability that you die is maximized around 77 and declines much steeper after that, since almost nobody lives to be past 100.

    School founded 1946. Figure most people graduate when they are 22. Avg. Life expectancy, 77.7 years in the US (slightly shorter for men, actually, so I’m giving her more credit). That means that the first year where half the graduating class should have died was… 2001. Humm. So, if fundraising is tied to Alumni deaths…

  • Jason Soll

    I also felt a massive disconnect at the dinner honoring her 10yrs as college president between what the trustees and student body think is going on on campus.

    When I visited Vanderbilt a few years ago, their president, Gordon Gee, gave me a personal tour of the campus. As we passed by students, he said hi to all of them on a first name basis. He also attends student parties all of the time. He is currently the president of Ohio State and was named by TIME magazine as the best college president in the country.

    Essentially, Gee is a mix between John Faranda and Pam Gann.

    While I do know Pam well enough for her to remember who I am, I wish she took on more of a “Faranda” role here.

    • Dude you should be a CMC Celeb

      President Pam B. Gann knows who you are? You get personal tours of other colleges from the President? Someone get the Forum writing about this guy asap.

  • Jason Soll

    I also felt a massive disconnect at the dinner honoring her 10yrs as college president between what the trustees and student body think is going on on campus.

    When I visited Vanderbilt a few years ago, their president, Gordon Gee, gave me a personal tour of the campus. As we passed by students, he said hi to all of them on a first name basis. He also attends student parties all of the time. He is currently the president of Ohio State and was named by TIME magazine as the best college president in the country.

    Essentially, Gee is a mix between John Faranda and Pam Gann.

    While I do know Pam well enough for her to remember who I am, I wish she took on more of a “Faranda” role here.

    • Dude you should be a CMC Celeb!!

      President Pam B. Gann knows who you are? You get personal tours of other colleges from the President? Someone get the Forum writing about this guy asap.

  • Agree with Jason Soll

    I agree with Jason Soll, and I would also like to point everyone’s attention to President Durden at Dickinson College. The guy hosts weekly talks at the local coffee house (Think of it like their Hub, just not shitty).

  • Agree with Jason Soll

    I agree with Jason Soll, and I would also like to point everyone’s attention to President Durden at Dickinson College. The guy hosts weekly talks at the local coffee house (Think of it like their Hub, just not shitty).

  • http://www.purevolume.com/danielandthedragon Dan Evans

    Ah, the role of the administrator, the most thankless job in the world. The fact of the matter is that a student at a school sees very little of what is demanded of someone who is an administrator at the school. I would suggest that the negative judgements being made by students are not coming with a complete understanding of what type of responsibilities President Gann undertakes at Claremont-Mckenna. Some presidents are charismatic and interact with students, some prefer to focus on administration and leave the social aspects to other faculty members. President Gann is the latter, but as Josh said earlier, she is aware of this and has put people in the administration to handle these other parts of student life.

    Gann’s tenure currently includes the climbing of CMC in the college rankings, the Robert Day School, Claremont Hall, and the Kravis Center. CMC is becoming a nationally recognized institution, and part of that is due to Gann’s administrative prowess. Giving her no credit for these things is irrational.

    • Money Money Money

      And who paid for all those things… The aging alumni population perhaps?

    • http://cardboardsmile.com A Mitch

      Reason strikes again, thank you Dan Evans and Josh Siegel.

  • http://www.purevolume.com/danielandthedragon Dan Evans

    Ah, the role of the administrator, the most thankless job in the world. The fact of the matter is that a student at a school sees very little of what is demanded of someone who is an administrator at the school. I would suggest that the negative judgements being made by students are not coming with a complete understanding of what type of responsibilities President Gann undertakes at Claremont-Mckenna. Some presidents are charismatic and interact with students, some prefer to focus on administration and leave the social aspects to other faculty members. President Gann is the latter, but as Josh said earlier, she is aware of this and has put people in the administration to handle these other parts of student life.

    Gann’s tenure currently includes the climbing of CMC in the college rankings, the Robert Day School, Claremont Hall, and the Kravis Center. CMC is becoming a nationally recognized institution, and part of that is due to Gann’s administrative prowess. Giving her no credit for these things is irrational.

    • Money Money Money

      And who paid for all those things… The aging alumni population perhaps?

    • http://cardboardsmile.com A Mitch

      Reason strikes again, thank you Dan Evans and Josh Siegel.

  • http://claremontcurrents.com Jeremy Merrill

    I’ve sat with Pres. Gann a few times at the Ath. She’s remembered my name and hometown (my major’s changed, so I can’t ask her to remember that) and she’s always seemed happy and willing to talk with students. Fine by my book.

    Maybe Pam Gann has room to improve — a chimera of Pres. Gann and John Faranda would be pretty sick — but she’s by no means “bad.” (Bad is like the Chancellor of NC State Univ. (James Oblinger) who hired the governor’s wife at a massively inflated salary to do pretty much nothing. Gann don’t got nothin’ on Jim Oblinger)

  • http://claremontcurrents.com Jeremy Merrill

    I’ve sat with Pres. Gann a few times at the Ath. She’s remembered my name and hometown (my major’s changed, so I can’t ask her to remember that) and she’s always seemed happy and willing to talk with students. Fine by my book.

    Maybe Pam Gann has room to improve — a chimera of Pres. Gann and John Faranda would be pretty sick — but she’s by no means “bad.” (Bad is like the Chancellor of NC State Univ. (James Oblinger) who hired the governor’s wife at a massively inflated salary to do pretty much nothing. Gann don’t got nothin’ on Jim Oblinger)

  • Ryan Martin

    I disagree both that Pamela Gann is not a good enough President, and esp that she does not understand what makes us special. First off, ppl get wayyy to biased by the fact that she’s a below average public speaker. But were CMCers, we’re evidenced based, not feelings based. CMC has been on the rise since Pamela Gann became President, quick example: CMC had the lowest acceptance rate of liberal arts schools in the country before we added to our student body and remain near the top of the list.

    People’s criticism of her has always been unfair…ppl used to say she was taking us away from our Econ and Gov focus because she had taken action to simply ensure the other departments were also improving…but then that misguided criticism vanished when she got us the 200 million just for Econ.

    No President is perfect, and her downside is clearly that she’s not a memorize-every-students-basic-profile type President. But she excels at the thing most people dont enjoy doing and what Im sure is the most common compliant of college presidents – fundraising. The Campaign for Claremont McKenna is ridiculous and a great success. With her fundraising focus and strength, her Presidency is incredibly timely because as amazing as CMC is, the rankings are highly correlated with endowment sizes, and if u’ve ever taken a look at that data, its an area that hasto be greatly improved if we are to drop into the top 10 and beyond.

    I was on one of those PPE hikes that was mentioned in the comments, and after talking with her with another student for about an hour and a half about the school and its future I went from unsure about her to a believer. I wont give every reason exactly here, but will the most important one: it was clear that where we are now, both as a school and in our current rankings, it wasnt good enough to stand pat. Her passion and incredible hard work comes from wanting to make CMC even greater, and Im sorry some cant see that threw her less-charismatic presentation style.

  • Ryan Martin

    I disagree both that Pamela Gann is not a good enough President, and esp that she does not understand what makes us special. First off, ppl get wayyy to biased by the fact that she’s a below average public speaker. But were CMCers, we’re evidenced based, not feelings based. CMC has been on the rise since Pamela Gann became President, quick example: CMC had the lowest acceptance rate of liberal arts schools in the country before we added to our student body and remain near the top of the list.

    People’s criticism of her has always been unfair…ppl used to say she was taking us away from our Econ and Gov focus because she had taken action to simply ensure the other departments were also improving…but then that misguided criticism vanished when she got us the 200 million just for Econ.

    No President is perfect, and her downside is clearly that she’s not a memorize-every-students-basic-profile type President. But she excels at the thing most people dont enjoy doing and what Im sure is the most common compliant of college presidents – fundraising. The Campaign for Claremont McKenna is ridiculous and a great success. With her fundraising focus and strength, her Presidency is incredibly timely because as amazing as CMC is, the rankings are highly correlated with endowment sizes, and if u’ve ever taken a look at that data, its an area that hasto be greatly improved if we are to drop into the top 10 and beyond.

    I was on one of those PPE hikes that was mentioned in the comments, and after talking with her with another student for about an hour and a half about the school and its future I went from unsure about her to a believer. I wont give every reason exactly here, but will the most important one: it was clear that where we are now, both as a school and in our current rankings, it wasnt good enough to stand pat. Her passion and incredible hard work comes from wanting to make CMC even greater, and Im sorry some cant see that threw her less-charismatic presentation style.

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  • Development Intern

    Your graph leaves out the large gifts that go to endowments and building projects; precisely the areas where President Gann excels. Her job is not to solicit the everyday gifts that go into Operating Costs. Instead she gets major gifts like the $200 million from Robert Day and $20 million from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    You even acknowledge this directly in the caption, which notes that a new president directly affects large gifts. If you’re going to provide a graph, at least include useful information.

  • Development Intern

    Your graph leaves out the large gifts that go to endowments and building projects; precisely the areas where President Gann excels. Her job is not to solicit the everyday gifts that go into Operating Costs. Instead she gets major gifts like the $200 million from Robert Day and $20 million from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    You even acknowledge this directly in the caption, which notes that a new president directly affects large gifts. If you’re going to provide a graph, at least include useful information.

  • Alexandros

    you cannot expect her to know everyone on a first name basis, thats not her job. why would you like her to know you personally? you should feel lucky enough that John Faranda knows you!

  • Alexandros

    you cannot expect her to know everyone on a first name basis, thats not her job. why would you like her to know you personally? you should feel lucky enough that John Faranda knows you!

  • Max Hodge

    I posted a response to this at the Claremont Conservative
    http://www.claremontconservative.com/

  • Max Hodge

    I posted a response to this at the Claremont Conservative
    http://www.claremontconservative.com/

  • agree with intern

    Arguments for why a few million dollars here and there are in the graph (alumni deaths? or maybe its santa claus?) really means nothing when compared to the Robert Day money.

    I know that has been left out of the chart “on purpose”, but the number dwarfs the graph by such a large factor that I don’t see how it can be ignored when accessing Gann as a fundraiser…

    • “Thus, deciding whether President Gann is doing an exceptional job fundraising depends on the degree to which she impacted recent large donations. But to answer that, we’d need to look inside Robert Day’s head, which I, unfortunately, do not have the ability to do.”

      • agree with intern

        Exactly. So don’t include a misleading graph where the most important data point can’t be included or analyzed… its just sloppy.

  • agree with intern

    Arguments for why a few million dollars here and there are in the graph (alumni deaths? or maybe its santa claus?) really means nothing when compared to the Robert Day money.

    I know that has been left out of the chart “on purpose”, but the number dwarfs the graph by such a large factor that I don’t see how it can be ignored when accessing Gann as a fundraiser…

    • “Thus, deciding whether President Gann is doing an exceptional job fundraising depends on the degree to which she impacted recent large donations. But to answer that, we’d need to look inside Robert Day’s head, which I, unfortunately, do not have the ability to do.”

      • agree with intern

        Exactly. So don’t include a misleading graph where the most important data point can’t be included or analyzed… its just sloppy.

  • Meatmarket_CEO

    atwater.. do you want everyone to hate you?

  • Meatmarket_CEO

    atwater.. do you want everyone to hate you?

  • Oedopal Trystero

    re: public speaking…

    Pamela Gann makes George W Bush look like Martin Luther King Jr.

    I mean my God, listening to her speak is like listening to a 4th grader give a book report.

  • Oedopal Trystero

    re: public speaking…

    Pamela Gann makes George W Bush look like Martin Luther King Jr.

    I mean my God, listening to her speak is like listening to a 4th grader give a book report.

  • Defender of the Faith

    “Giving her no credit for these things is irrational.”

    Oh really? Irrational? And CMC is supposedly teaching students economics…

    Let’s see: a person only writes an article like this if they do not want PG to be president anymore.

    If that’s true, then the author would want to convince other people that PG shouldn’t be president.

    Therefore, the author should not give PG credit for anything.

    That seems pretty rational to me.

    • Eminem

      What kind of stupid reply is that and what does it have to do with economics? The statement you’re quoting is dealing with the irrationality displayed by both the original author and the other people involved. Obviously Pam Gann was involved in all the projects previously mentioned. To imply that she had nothing to do with them (as in this stupid point that Patwater can’t “get in Robert Day’s head”) is selling her way short.

      This post is inflammatory and based on an alternate reality where Pam Gann has done nothing for CMC and is a complete idiot, apparently. Patrick’s articles are either boring or hallucinatory. And my student fees go to paying for him to be a dick, over the internet no less. Awesome.

      • Again…

        How many times do they have to remind people that the Forum is profitable from ads and your student fees don’t pay for it…

      • Defender of the Faith

        “What kind of stupid reply that and what does it have to do with economics?”

        You reveal your ignorance.

  • Defender of the Faith

    “Giving her no credit for these things is irrational.”

    Oh really? Irrational? And CMC is supposedly teaching students economics…

    Let’s see: a person only writes an article like this if they do not want PG to be president anymore.

    If that’s true, then the author would want to convince other people that PG shouldn’t be president.

    Therefore, the author should not give PG credit for anything.

    That seems pretty rational to me.

    • Eminem

      What kind of stupid reply is that and what does it have to do with economics? The statement you’re quoting is dealing with the irrationality displayed by both the original author and the other people involved. Obviously Pam Gann was involved in all the projects previously mentioned. To imply that she had nothing to do with them (as in this stupid point that Patwater can’t “get in Robert Day’s head”) is selling her way short.

      This post is inflammatory and based on an alternate reality where Pam Gann has done nothing for CMC and is a complete idiot, apparently. Patrick’s articles are either boring or hallucinatory. And my student fees go to paying for him to be a dick, over the internet no less. Awesome.

      • Again…

        How many times do they have to remind people that the Forum is profitable from ads and your student fees don’t pay for it…

      • Defender of the Faith

        “What kind of stupid reply that and what does it have to do with economics?”

        You reveal your ignorance.

  • joshua Redel

    Secretly he loves PG and just wrote this so that the backlash would reach and sway those who badmouth her without evidence at every opportunity. Brilliant reverse psychology. Atwater’s obviously just takin one for the team.

  • joshua Redel

    Secretly he loves PG and just wrote this so that the backlash would reach and sway those who badmouth her without evidence at every opportunity. Brilliant reverse psychology. Atwater’s obviously just takin one for the team.

  • http://claremontconservative.com Charles C. Johnson

    Hey guys, remember when the Forum didn’t publish boring articles like this? I sure do.

    • Washington Irving

      Hey guys, remember when Charles Johnson wasn’t a shameless self promoter?

      … oh wait, I don’t.

    • Rebuttal

      What’s your evidence that people find this article boring? The 40 forum responses?

      • Tea Party Patriot

        The fact that it doesn’t mention Charles Johnson

  • http://claremontconservative.com Charles C. Johnson

    Hey guys, remember when the Forum didn’t publish boring articles like this? I sure do.

    • Washington Irving

      Hey guys, remember when Charles Johnson wasn’t a shameless self promoter?

      … oh wait, I don’t.

    • Rebuttal

      What’s your evidence that people find this article boring? The 40 forum responses?

      • Tea Party Patriot

        The fact that it doesn’t mention Charles Johnson

  • bigchris1313

    ITT: Posters fail to control for confounding variables and act as if post hoc fallacies in fact yield objectively verifiable truth.

    • Irving Washington

      I wonder if anyone has done a real study of fundraising to determine if the ‘Pam Gann is a good fundraiser’ thing is really true. To do it right you would have to collect data about fundraising at other colleges and try to control for things like wealth of graduates and so on.

      Obviously, Patrick’s arguments here are just off-the-cuff and not really rigorous… but the counterattacks do suffer from precisely the same sort of flawed thinking.

      “Gann’s tenure currently includes the climbing of CMC in the college rankings, the Robert Day School, Claremont Hall, and the Kravis Center. CMC is becoming a nationally recognized institution, and part of that is due to Gann’s administrative prowess.”

      Oh really? How do you know? What if CMC would have done even better during that time with someone else as President? Maybe CMC could have raised twice the money.

      Merely listing what happened is not an argument for why Pam Gann is a good president. You have to suggest some sort of causal link between Pam Gann and the good things, first of all, and then argue that she accomplished them when any ordinary person could not have. Then maybe you have an argument that Pam Gann is the optimal president.

      What I’d like to know is this: what has Gann done that Dean Huang couldn’t do?

      If you can answer that then you can claim to have an argument against Patrick.

      … I don’t care which position you take but I do care if your arguments are valid.

      • chart

        Pam Gann helped secure the largest gift ever given to a liberal arts college in the RBD gift. I think that alone is enough to let us assume that her tenure has been optimal, or at least more optimal than the average college president, assuming their main prerogative is fundraising. An interesting thesis would be for someone to try and control variables and compare CMC to similar liberal arts colleges but that massive gift, coupled with the Gates Foundation gift and other smaller multi million dollar gifts gives me reasonable cause to think that she is the optimal fundraiser. Is this a post hoc fallacy? Completely, but until there is evidence to the contrary I’m fine looking like a fool and relying on bad stats.

      • Re: Chart and Huge Day Gift

        But could that not be more of a function of the fact that CMC recruits and educates the type of people who are going to be rich and love their school enough to make huge donations like Bob Day than Pam Gann?

      • Draft Dean Huang

        This needs to be asked: Can anyone think of single reason Dean Huang wouldn’t make a better president?

  • bigchris1313

    ITT: Posters fail to control for confounding variables and act as if post hoc fallacies in fact yield objectively verifiable truth.

    • Irving Washington

      I wonder if anyone has done a real study of fundraising to determine if the ‘Pam Gann is a good fundraiser’ thing is really true. To do it right you would have to collect data about fundraising at other colleges and try to control for things like wealth of graduates and so on.

      Obviously, Patrick’s arguments here are just off-the-cuff and not really rigorous… but the counterattacks do suffer from precisely the same sort of flawed thinking.

      “Gann’s tenure currently includes the climbing of CMC in the college rankings, the Robert Day School, Claremont Hall, and the Kravis Center. CMC is becoming a nationally recognized institution, and part of that is due to Gann’s administrative prowess.”

      Oh really? How do you know? What if CMC would have done even better during that time with someone else as President? Maybe CMC could have raised twice the money.

      Merely listing what happened is not an argument for why Pam Gann is a good president. You have to suggest some sort of causal link between Pam Gann and the good things, first of all, and then argue that she accomplished them when any ordinary person could not have. Then maybe you have an argument that Pam Gann is the optimal president.

      What I’d like to know is this: what has Gann done that Dean Huang couldn’t do?

      If you can answer that then you can claim to have an argument against Patrick.

      … I don’t care which position you take but I do care if your arguments are valid.

      • chart

        Pam Gann helped secure the largest gift ever given to a liberal arts college in the RBD gift. I think that alone is enough to let us assume that her tenure has been optimal, or at least more optimal than the average college president, assuming their main prerogative is fundraising. An interesting thesis would be for someone to try and control variables and compare CMC to similar liberal arts colleges but that massive gift, coupled with the Gates Foundation gift and other smaller multi million dollar gifts gives me reasonable cause to think that she is the optimal fundraiser. Is this a post hoc fallacy? Completely, but until there is evidence to the contrary I’m fine looking like a fool and relying on bad stats.

      • Re: Chart and Huge Day Gift

        But could that not be more of a function of the fact that CMC recruits and educates the type of people who are going to be rich and love their school enough to make huge donations like Bob Day than Pam Gann?

      • Draft Dean Huang

        This needs to be asked: Can anyone think of single reason Dean Huang wouldn’t make a better president?

  • Max Hodge

    Interesting Irving Washington, what’s the expression Russel Brugos used, “Nothing is good or bad, but alternatives make it so.”

    • History

      He got that saying from a former CMC prof, Procter Thomson.

      http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/govt/welliott/otherlaws.htm

    • Defender of the Faith

      Or is it Washington Irving?

    • InTheName of Roth!

      Sounds like one of WElliott’s laws: “Nothing is either true or false but alternatives make it so.”

      [http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/facultysites/govt/FacMember/WElliott/mylaws.htm]

  • Max Hodge

    Interesting Irving Washington, what’s the expression Russel Brugos used, “Nothing is good or bad, but alternatives make it so.”

  • Achey Pup

    I think we’re going about this Gann critique the wrong way. There really isn’t much of a case to be made that she doesn’t fund raise well. It’s true that that Day and Gates grants took a long time to secure, but give her credit, she got them done. Certainly, you must agree that she hasn’t eroded the historic trend of fundraising.

    My big gripes against Gann are twofold:

    1. public speaking
    2. the attempt to homogenize CMC’s departments

    On public speaking, she is an embarrassment to CMC. Tripping over words like “that” and “a” doesn’t exactly increase the prestige of our school, which is a strong function of public perception and perhaps the most important function of a school president.

    On watering down all our departments to some lowest common denominator to obtain a “balanced” school profile, she frightens me. The hallmark of CMC is its government and economics programs. It’s just that simple. Thank God R-Day was shoving a finance graduate program down our throats, when Gann was lobbying for a stronger sociology department *sigh*. For me, this is the where our obsession with rankings fails. We’re trying to improve our weaker programs (like religious studies, which was my major by the way) by sacrificing the very thing that makes CMC unique. Mind you, this is the logic of STALINISM.

    Would you prefer a community – nay, a nation – of colleges that differ only in average GPAs and SAT scores?

    In the end, Gann too easily confuses public perception with college rankings. This allows her to limp through public appearances and focus her attention on a grading rubric that shouldn’t matter to us.

    This is why she’s not a bad president as much as she is a dangerous one.

  • Achey Pup

    I think we’re going about this Gann critique the wrong way. There really isn’t much of a case to be made that she doesn’t fund raise well. It’s true that that Day and Gates grants took a long time to secure, but give her credit, she got them done. Certainly, you must agree that she hasn’t eroded the historic trend of fundraising.

    My big gripes against Gann are twofold:

    1. public speaking
    2. the attempt to homogenize CMC’s departments

    On public speaking, she is an embarrassment to CMC. Tripping over words like “that” and “a” doesn’t exactly increase the prestige of our school, which is a strong function of public perception and perhaps the most important function of a school president.

    On watering down all our departments to some lowest common denominator to obtain a “balanced” school profile, she frightens me. The hallmark of CMC is its government and economics programs. It’s just that simple. Thank God R-Day was shoving a finance graduate program down our throats, when Gann was lobbying for a stronger sociology department *sigh*. For me, this is the where our obsession with rankings fails. We’re trying to improve our weaker programs (like religious studies, which was my major by the way) by sacrificing the very thing that makes CMC unique. Mind you, this is the logic of STALINISM.

    Would you prefer a community – nay, a nation – of colleges that differ only in average GPAs and SAT scores?

    In the end, Gann too easily confuses public perception with college rankings. This allows her to limp through public appearances and focus her attention on a grading rubric that shouldn’t matter to us.

    This is why she’s not a bad president as much as she is a dangerous one.

  • Tipping the Scale

    It is a complete fallacy to say that Gann was “watering down” and “balancing” the departments. Since 2008 the only department to grow has been the Econ department, with even Gov’t suffering. (For proof just look at this semester’s course book and the meager selection of electives.) In fact it is all the other departments that are being “watered down” (through the loss of almost all visting profs). People talk about not upseting the balance between the departments here at cmc, but it is only the econ dept. that is growing disporportionately to other departments. If this trend continues we run the risk of becoming an econ trade school with some liberal arts requirements rather than the Liberal Arts college with strong economics and government programs that we should be trying to mantain.

    • Chief executive parasite

      at the 5Cs that’s a good thing obviously… the other colleges have their specialties just like CMC; go cross register!

  • Tipping the Scale

    It is a complete fallacy to say that Gann was “watering down” and “balancing” the departments. Since 2008 the only department to grow has been the Econ department, with even Gov’t suffering. (For proof just look at this semester’s course book and the meager selection of electives.) In fact it is all the other departments that are being “watered down” (through the loss of almost all visting profs). People talk about not upseting the balance between the departments here at cmc, but it is only the econ dept. that is growing disporportionately to other departments. If this trend continues we run the risk of becoming an econ trade school with some liberal arts requirements rather than the Liberal Arts college with strong economics and government programs that we should be trying to mantain.

    • Chief executive parasite

      at the 5Cs that’s a good thing obviously… the other colleges have their specialties just like CMC; go cross register!

  • Scooter Jones

    POOP

  • Scooter Jones

    POOP

  • A.T. Tappman

    Patrick Atwater… the Ann Coulter of cmc.

    Says ridiculous stuff… but people (for some reason) read it.

    • bigchris1313

      Indeed. Making outrageous arguments for the sake of inciting controversy is ludicrous, and something in which I for one would never partake.

  • A.T. Tappman

    Patrick Atwater… the Ann Coulter of cmc.

    Says ridiculous stuff… but people (for some reason) read it.

    • bigchris1313

      Indeed. Making outrageous arguments for the sake of inciting controversy is ludicrous, and something in which I for one would never partake.

  • CMCer

    LOL @ Max Hodges ripping of Atwater on the Claremont Conservative XD

  • CMCer

    LOL @ Max Hodges ripping of Atwater on the Claremont Conservative XD

  • Richard MacNaughton

    Blast from the Past:

    When I came to CMC in the 1960′s, President Benson had each student to his home for dinner, and he knew our bio’s before we arrived. He was always seen on campus and I often saw students walking and talking with him. Lots of faculty hung out at the Hub as it made them more accessible than staying in their offices.

    That was then; I don’t know about now.

  • Richard MacNaughton

    Blast from the Past:

    When I came to CMC in the 1960′s, President Benson had each student to his home for dinner, and he knew our bio’s before we arrived. He was always seen on campus and I often saw students walking and talking with him. Lots of faculty hung out at the Hub as it made them more accessible than staying in their offices.

    That was then; I don’t know about now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=13300350 Jarod Hightower-Mills

    If you have ever worked for CMC Phonenite – our direct to donor student fund-raising program – you know that many alumni share your questions about President Gann. When I was a CMC, I hated taking called about Pam Gann since it was hard to talk them back to the subject hand. While some of the calls had sexist overtones, many alumni had legitimate problems with her leadership. It was definitely a theme in the calls that I took.