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This article has been updated to include a statement from the Dean of Students Office to the editorial staff.

Claremont McKenna Dean of Students Mary Spellman has indefinitely suspended the registration of Thursday night parties, the Forum has learned. The policy will be re-evaluated at the end of September.

Among other events temporarily canceled is Thursday Night Club, or TNC, a longstanding weekly tradition at the college.

“If and when there is a TNC, it won’t be in North Quad, and that’s indefinite,” Associate Dean of Students Jennifer Maraña said, adding that the suspension is directed at Thursday night wet events.

A statement from the Dean of Students Office further explained the permanent move. “It is difficult to manage the distribution of alcohol in those residence hall areas.”

DOS made the decision after an incident occurred this past Thursday evening, September 9, during which three beer kegs were found by campus security. The college allows one keg to be registered for Thursday events, using a formula that balances the expected number of students attending with the number of those likely to be over 21 years old. Only one keg had been registered by the student government.

ASCMC officials admit to having purchased three kegs for the party, and say more than one has typically been purchased in the past. But campus security has never cared, and de facto policy has been to let additional kegs– for a group of students almost always larger than anticipated and registered– to go unnoticed.

Campus security for the Claremont Colleges changed heads this year, however, and has seen 80% of its staff replaced. New hires discovered the additional kegs being brought in by residents of the host dorm.

“Everything done on Thursday night was the same protocol we have followed for years,” Dorm Affairs Chair Alexander Reichert said. “So we’ve been living with this area of gray for a long time. Now DOS wants to make it more black and white.”

Spellman’s office denied this has been the case.

“Having more kegs at an event than what is registered is unacceptable,” the statement reads.

TNC, recently turned a CMC-only event, was suspended last spring under similar language and circumstances. The new tone from DOS follows incidents that have threatened other traditional CMC parties, such as the Senior Thesis Fountain Party and the Madrigal Feast.

Michael Wilner contributed to this report.

144 COMMENTS

  1. Oh, for the glory days of 2005-2006 and the peerless SAC Chairmanship of the Legendary Kyle Ellison…

  2. Oh, for the glory days of 2005-2006 and the peerless SAC Chairmanship of the Legendary Kyle Ellison…

    • “The fact that graffiti art, temporary art installations, and banners now need to go through the Committee on Student Life is indicative of the censorship and loss of confidence the school has in its students to make innovative and provocative statements. Making a statement is no longer encouraged.”

      Read the article. Makes me worry. I hope we don’t end up like the above quote, but seems like only time will tell…

      • Just finished reading the article. I see your point…but I absolutely do not agree with it. Your liberal take on the circumstance is the reason why CMC, and America, are going downhill. “Makes me worry”?? How about you just “worry” about yourself.

        Regards,
        Dave Ulrich

        • Whoa there, I didn’t write the article. I was simply expressing concern – and how does liberalism at all factor in on this?

          Also, how is (comment below) your baseball captain experience at all relevant?

        • Look Jillian,
          My baseball captaincy shows 1 of 2 things:
          1) Being a leader. I AM a leader. No doubt about it. Agh.
          2) Through it, my ability to mentor and manage other people is seen.

          But that is irrelevant and besides the point. As the best econ student in my class, I know crap when I see it. Your response to the article is crap. The real concern here with this situation is the fact that you cannot see that your liberal take does not factor into this. Read between the lines. Don’t you have something better to do than comment on here like further the United States socialist movement?

          Regards,
          David (Big Deeeeloitte) (Captain D) Ulrich

        • I would just like to set the record straight…to whoever has been impersonating me on this website. This is ridiculous…I don’t support nor have anything to do with these comments. Frankly the Forum should do some serious thinking about how easy it is to write stuff like this as any person someone desires. Honestly this is my first time in three years at this school reading this website and I am not impressed and more than a little disgusted. Also to the writer (s), you and I both know who you are, bad move…now we have a problem

          -Dave Ulrich

        • This is getting absurd. For one thing, I have never gone by “Dave”. Anyone who actually knows me knows that I go by David. My parents do not even call me Dave. For those trying to impersonate me…it would probably be a good idea to get my name right next time. That would just be my advice though. As for the “Dave” hero above, that’s not actually my stance on this whole situation. To be honest, this is somewhat amusing. Childish at times, but definitely amusing. The funny thing is I actually consider myself very liberal. So, again, anyone who actually knows me would know I would not bash on someone for their liberal views.
          The next thing is that the “Dave” above is being a little harsh. I actually don’t resent anyone who wrote comments posing as me, nor do we have any sort of problem. Don’t really understand the point, but really not a big deal to me. Also, anyone who knows me knows that I would never bash on the forum like the “Dave” did above. I love the forum just as I love CMC. The forum certainly has its flaws, but definitely a good tool to express yourself.
          Lastly, to clarify the Baseball Captaincy…it is in fact true that I am Captain, but that doesn’t mean I ever let that get to my head.
          In closing, I really don’t know all these “Daves” above trying to impersonate me (Steven Ferguson??), but I really don’t even care. People who know me, know me. People who know me from a made up persona on the forum…well…so be it.

          Only Love,
          DavID Abraham Ulrich

    • “The fact that graffiti art, temporary art installations, and banners now need to go through the Committee on Student Life is indicative of the censorship and loss of confidence the school has in its students to make innovative and provocative statements. Making a statement is no longer encouraged.”

      Read the article. Makes me worry. I hope we don’t end up like the above quote, but seems like only time will tell…

  3. What would Spellman know about this “not being the case?” She’s only been here for what, a year? How does she somehow mystically know what goes on at a TNC?

    Thought so.

  4. What would Spellman know about this “not being the case?” She’s only been here for what, a year? How does she somehow mystically know what goes on at a TNC?

    Thought so.

  5. i have advised my parents and relatives to suspend giving to the school. the social atmosphere and unity that this place enjoys is a major component of why i fell in love with CMC and applied here. if they are trying to change our culture to appease some bullshit college rankings god, then they can figure out another source of funding.

    • Peter, please don’t punish the college for the actions of a few… money= power. Perhaps use that power to take down certain people that are swaying the school in the wrong direction?

    • Talking to alumni all summer who have cut off support (significant support, I might add) in protest of school activities rarely works. Rather, the individuals like the trustees who have remained active supporters have the most say.

      Also… if the rankings dropped more, the administration might find ways to cut even more fun out of our beloved CMC… think major parties or even the elimination of all ASCMC alcohol spending.

  6. i have advised my parents and relatives to suspend giving to the school. the social atmosphere and unity that this place enjoys is a major component of why i fell in love with CMC and applied here. if they are trying to change our culture to appease some bullshit college rankings god, then they can figure out another source of funding.

    • Peter, please don’t punish the college for the actions of a few… money= power. Perhaps use that power to take down certain people that are swaying the school in the wrong direction?

    • Talking to alumni all summer who have cut off support (significant support, I might add) in protest of school activities rarely works. Rather, the individuals like the trustees who have remained active supporters have the most say.

      Also… if the rankings dropped more, the administration might find ways to cut even more fun out of our beloved CMC… think major parties or even the elimination of all ASCMC alcohol spending.

  7. People who live in NQ choose to live there because that is where the majority of the partying is done. If we move TNCs to other dorms, everyone else who chose to live in other dorms for that exact reason will not be happy. We are happy students, we drink lots of beer and we get good grades. They should just let us be.

  8. People who live in NQ choose to live there because that is where the majority of the partying is done. If we move TNCs to other dorms, everyone else who chose to live in other dorms for that exact reason will not be happy. We are happy students, we drink lots of beer and we get good grades. They should just let us be.

  9. A few thoughts here: I always thought the original logic of having parties register with the DoS was pretty sound. First, college kids *will* have parties. So it is better to have them with security, on campus, have no one drive, etc. Second, having a school wide event like this means that everyone is invited; I always liked the inclusive culture of CMC parties. You didn’t have to know ‘the cool kids’ to be invited to go have a beer someplace.

    And, if there were two unregistered kegs at the party – does this change the fundamental logic behind registering Thursday events? Is there possibly a better regulatory structure that could be used as a solution to preserve the reason for the party registry in the first place while maintaining a safe and secure environment? I think so. This is a pretty un-creative solution to the problem.

    ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

  10. A few thoughts here: I always thought the original logic of having parties register with the DoS was pretty sound. First, college kids *will* have parties. So it is better to have them with security, on campus, have no one drive, etc. Second, having a school wide event like this means that everyone is invited; I always liked the inclusive culture of CMC parties. You didn’t have to know ‘the cool kids’ to be invited to go have a beer someplace.

    And, if there were two unregistered kegs at the party – does this change the fundamental logic behind registering Thursday events? Is there possibly a better regulatory structure that could be used as a solution to preserve the reason for the party registry in the first place while maintaining a safe and secure environment? I think so. This is a pretty un-creative solution to the problem.

    ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

  11. someone should write the DAC a letter on how to not let TNC get indefinitely canceled

  12. someone should write the DAC a letter on how to not let TNC get indefinitely canceled

  13. Yay, let’s all get alcohol poisoning by drinking alone in our rooms Thursday night…. Or BETTER YET, let’s get alcohol poisoning at a dry event hosted by DOS office… because that would totally never happened.

  14. Yay, let’s all get alcohol poisoning by drinking alone in our rooms Thursday night…. Or BETTER YET, let’s get alcohol poisoning at a dry event hosted by DOS office… because that would totally never happened.

  15. it seems to me like no one that goes to TNC actually gets drunk from the beer served at TNC. so maybe we should try not serving alcohol at TNC? would everyone really be that upset that they wouldn’t have the option to have a cup of natty light? it seems that everyone comes to TNC already thoroughly inebriated, so all this drama and commotion over beer that no one is begging to have seems kind of unnecessary.

  16. it seems to me like no one that goes to TNC actually gets drunk from the beer served at TNC. so maybe we should try not serving alcohol at TNC? would everyone really be that upset that they wouldn’t have the option to have a cup of natty light? it seems that everyone comes to TNC already thoroughly inebriated, so all this drama and commotion over beer that no one is begging to have seems kind of unnecessary.

  17. I am a recent HMC alum and used to frequent TNC. Their “formula” doesn’t take in to account that many of us from other schools went to TNC regularly. There just isn’t much else to do on most Thursday nights, and many students get Fridays off. As such, 1 keg is never enough. Even 2 or 3 often isn’t. It’s obvious that the new administration / security hasn’t actually been in the trenches, hasn’t seen what the parties are like or how much alcohol is needed vs. available.

  18. I am a recent HMC alum and used to frequent TNC. Their “formula” doesn’t take in to account that many of us from other schools went to TNC regularly. There just isn’t much else to do on most Thursday nights, and many students get Fridays off. As such, 1 keg is never enough. Even 2 or 3 often isn’t. It’s obvious that the new administration / security hasn’t actually been in the trenches, hasn’t seen what the parties are like or how much alcohol is needed vs. available.

  19. God damn the administration is ruining this school. I agree with whoever posted about Kyle Ellison. I was a freshman back then and I have never seen a year that wild or good since. It has slowly gotten worse and worse.

  20. Oh yeah and wear it administration, that year was the last time CMC was officially ranked in the top 10 in US news and world report… correlation… certainly… causation… no, but still…

  21. God damn the administration is ruining this school. I agree with whoever posted about Kyle Ellison. I was a freshman back then and I have never seen a year that wild or good since. It has slowly gotten worse and worse.

  22. Oh yeah and wear it administration, that year was the last time CMC was officially ranked in the top 10 in US news and world report… correlation… certainly… causation… no, but still…

  23. Perhaps DOS and the RAs will reconsider their arbitrary enforcement of rules that have been perpetually ignored in the past when our school starts suffering from ills that are common at schools that force their students to drink off campus. I’m not looking forward to the days when CMC gets its first drunk driving fatalities and wet parties have to be held at private off campus residences with no camp sec to insure students’ safety. At least we will be able to tell certain Narc RAs what they can do with themselves when they try and bust up off campus parties with of age students.

    • True that, RA’s are a bunch of pretentious douchebags who think they are better than everyone because CMC overpays them

      • Wait… That was a joke, right?

        You recognize that RAs have been here (for the most part) for all four years. So they understand what goes on at CMC parties and at TNC. Yes, they have been training since spring semester, in place since after Spring Break. So, they have seen the mayhem at the end of each spring term, and oftentimes been up to their elbows in it. They earn their pay.
        I hope you also recognize that RAs love their college. No RA (and I recognize that this is an assumption, but one that I am readily willing to make) applies for their position without a thorough love for CMC. How can I guess that? Because they are interviewed before they are hired. No one who sits in front of Dean Castro, Huang, or (because she’s new, I assume) Spellman could possibly say, “Yeah, I’m just here for the money,” and get hired. No one.
        Have you seen what your RAs do? Listen, I love a good time as much as the next guy/girl, and I know that I’ve wound up apologizing to more than one on the morning after an epic night. But look: take a south quad dorm. Take Marks. Go check any bathroom in there at about 2 am on a Friday or Sunday morning, and tell me if Aly Stark is a overpaid. Don’t tell me if she’s a pretentious doucebag or not, because I already know that she isn’t. I am just going to go with the blissful assumption that you were joking and we can leave that ugliness behind us.
        Finally, RAs party! Do you really think DOS hires people who are totally unacquainted or unfamiliar with partying? NO! They are empathetic! They peel you from the bathroom floor not solely because they’re paid to do so, but because they care. RAs are not there to walk you home; that’s what your friends are for. But I have seen more than one RA do just that. Therefore, is there some kind of correlation between RA and friend? I think so, yes. And I feel that the vast majority of the student body would agree with me.

        Please understand that your RAs are here to help you, that they are our allies, and that they should be thanked and respected. Clean up the mess you made all over yourself on Thursday/Saturday nights, and clean up what you write on the Forum.

        Thank you,
        Wade Vaughn

  24. Perhaps DOS and the RAs will reconsider their arbitrary enforcement of rules that have been perpetually ignored in the past when our school starts suffering from ills that are common at schools that force their students to drink off campus. I’m not looking forward to the days when CMC gets its first drunk driving fatalities and wet parties have to be held at private off campus residences with no camp sec to insure students’ safety. At least we will be able to tell certain Narc RAs what they can do with themselves when they try and bust up off campus parties with of age students.

    • True that, RA’s are a bunch of pretentious douchebags who think they are better than everyone because CMC overpays them

      • Wait… That was a joke, right?

        You recognize that RAs have been here (for the most part) for all four years. So they understand what goes on at CMC parties and at TNC. Yes, they have been training since spring semester, in place since after Spring Break. So, they have seen the mayhem at the end of each spring term, and oftentimes been up to their elbows in it. They earn their pay.
        I hope you also recognize that RAs love their college. No RA (and I recognize that this is an assumption, but one that I am readily willing to make) applies for their position without a thorough love for CMC. How can I guess that? Because they are interviewed before they are hired. No one who sits in front of Dean Castro, Huang, or (because she’s new, I assume) Spellman could possibly say, “Yeah, I’m just here for the money,” and get hired. No one.
        Have you seen what your RAs do? Listen, I love a good time as much as the next guy/girl, and I know that I’ve wound up apologizing to more than one on the morning after an epic night. But look: take a south quad dorm. Take Marks. Go check any bathroom in there at about 2 am on a Friday or Sunday morning, and tell me if Aly Stark is a overpaid. Don’t tell me if she’s a pretentious doucebag or not, because I already know that she isn’t. I am just going to go with the blissful assumption that you were joking and we can leave that ugliness behind us.
        Finally, RAs party! Do you really think DOS hires people who are totally unacquainted or unfamiliar with partying? NO! They are empathetic! They peel you from the bathroom floor not solely because they’re paid to do so, but because they care. RAs are not there to walk you home; that’s what your friends are for. But I have seen more than one RA do just that. Therefore, is there some kind of correlation between RA and friend? I think so, yes. And I feel that the vast majority of the student body would agree with me.

        Please understand that your RAs are here to help you, that they are our allies, and that they should be thanked and respected. Clean up the mess you made all over yourself on Thursday/Saturday nights, and clean up what you write on the Forum.

        Thank you,
        Wade Vaughn

  25. “The college allows one keg to be registered for Thursday events, using a formula that balances the expected number of students attending with the number of those likely to be over 21 years old.”

    Clearly, the problem between TNC and the DOS is that we are not allowed to have more beer than the number of 21 year olds can drink yet more than just the 21 year olds drink the beer.

    The only solution (if beer is the goal, which it may well not be as others have pointed out) is as follows:

    It is my understanding that when students prepare for TNC, they buy the number of kegs they believe will be consumed that evening (BY ALL, not by 21 year olds). As a typical keg contains 200 12oz beers (http://www.alabev.com/draught.htm) and TNC is scheduled to be a minimum of 3 hours “World Cup TNC Boswell Lounge: 9:30 12:30 “- party inform, that means one keg serves about 70 beers an hour optimistically. Over three hours, a 140 pound person could have 4 beers without being drunk. Regardless of the number of people in attendance, that means one keg could keep 50 people sober and driving around after the party*. I have been to TNC, and there are more than 50 people. Further, kegs tend to end up in beer pong cups of host dorms anyway.

    What is the solution? Ask DOS if we can buy enough kegs and register them to keep, on average, each person sober.

    100 people * 4 drinks = 400 beers / 200 = 2 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 1 keg currently allowed)
    200 people * 4 drinks = 800 beers / 200 = 4 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 1 keg currently allowed)
    300 people * 4 drinks = 1200 beers / 200 = 6 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 2 kegs currently allowed

    Let the DOS protect themselves, but let us drink! Within the legal limit (wink)

  26. “The college allows one keg to be registered for Thursday events, using a formula that balances the expected number of students attending with the number of those likely to be over 21 years old.”

    Clearly, the problem between TNC and the DOS is that we are not allowed to have more beer than the number of 21 year olds can drink yet more than just the 21 year olds drink the beer.

    The only solution (if beer is the goal, which it may well not be as others have pointed out) is as follows:

    It is my understanding that when students prepare for TNC, they buy the number of kegs they believe will be consumed that evening (BY ALL, not by 21 year olds). As a typical keg contains 200 12oz beers (http://www.alabev.com/draught.htm) and TNC is scheduled to be a minimum of 3 hours “World Cup TNC Boswell Lounge: 9:30 12:30 “- party inform, that means one keg serves about 70 beers an hour optimistically. Over three hours, a 140 pound person could have 4 beers without being drunk. Regardless of the number of people in attendance, that means one keg could keep 50 people sober and driving around after the party*. I have been to TNC, and there are more than 50 people. Further, kegs tend to end up in beer pong cups of host dorms anyway.

    What is the solution? Ask DOS if we can buy enough kegs and register them to keep, on average, each person sober.

    100 people * 4 drinks = 400 beers / 200 = 2 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 1 keg currently allowed)
    200 people * 4 drinks = 800 beers / 200 = 4 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 1 keg currently allowed)
    300 people * 4 drinks = 1200 beers / 200 = 6 kegs needed (if 25% are 21, 2 kegs currently allowed

    Let the DOS protect themselves, but let us drink! Within the legal limit (wink)

  27. does anyone else remember last year when they cancelled TNC based on our “bad behavior”? instead of having a legit party in just one dorm for everyone to flock to, there was mayhem, music, and drunk debauchery in every section of campus since no one knew where to congregate. that sounds like exactly what this campus needs…. a bunch of drunk people just wandering around in such a way that makes it near impossible for camp sec to make sure they’re safe.

    at the university of washington the administration banned kegs on greek row so the houses buy flats of beer instead. just saying…

  28. does anyone else remember last year when they cancelled TNC based on our “bad behavior”? instead of having a legit party in just one dorm for everyone to flock to, there was mayhem, music, and drunk debauchery in every section of campus since no one knew where to congregate. that sounds like exactly what this campus needs…. a bunch of drunk people just wandering around in such a way that makes it near impossible for camp sec to make sure they’re safe.

    at the university of washington the administration banned kegs on greek row so the houses buy flats of beer instead. just saying…

  29. i just hope students dont stop drinking on Thursday… Wednesday or Tuesday either for that matter, that would be the real travesty. You can rest on Sunday and Monday, or when you’re dead.

  30. i just hope students dont stop drinking on Thursday… Wednesday or Tuesday either for that matter, that would be the real travesty. You can rest on Sunday and Monday, or when you’re dead.

  31. Maybe instead of blaming the administration the student body should turn their frustration towards ASCMC officials. They clearly broke school protocol and are trying to cover their ass by a lame “grey area” excuse. Not everyone is going to turn a blind eye, so ASCMC should be proactive and plan within the protocol of the school. It was Tammy and Reichert’s responsibility to make sure that the party adhered to the rules of the school. Maybe the students and ASCMC should stop criticizing Spellman for doing her job and instead demand that Tammy and Reichert do theirs. Poor ASCMC leadership should not use DOS as a scapegoat for their mistakes.

    • Don’t blame me. I voted for CJ. He predicted this shit. Didn’t he say that he would give us all back money and let us buy our own booze? That’s what I thought.

    • to the RA that clearly wrote the above post (only an RA could be that out of touch with the student body and so defensive of DOS.) There has not been 1 keg at a tnc, even the South Quad ones, in years. The school has always had that dumb rule on the books but turned a blind eye. It is not Reicherts fault that under his term as DAC, DOS decided to start cracking down. DOS cant establish a culture at this school through years of a lax drinking policy and enforcement of the rules, and then be shocked when students get pissed off that they are changing our way of life. Drinking openly on campus was originally designed for our safety, and I truly hope that the only negative of changing the drinking culture at CMC is just less donations from disgruntled Alumns.

    • First off, you are bashing two people by name, but not using yours (good job champ), two people with years of ASCMC-DOS experience under their belts, so before you bash them, grow some courage and check some history, because we didn’t launch an appeal to keep dean huang here because he alienated students and did not want CMC to be ranked the happiest school in the country. no, this one is on DOS’s shoulders, so them and their proxies of pettiness, some select RA’s, should back down and remember what it is like to be treated like an adult on YOUR campus

  32. Maybe instead of blaming the administration the student body should turn their frustration towards ASCMC officials. They clearly broke school protocol and are trying to cover their ass by a lame “grey area” excuse. Not everyone is going to turn a blind eye, so ASCMC should be proactive and plan within the protocol of the school. It was Tammy and Reichert’s responsibility to make sure that the party adhered to the rules of the school. Maybe the students and ASCMC should stop criticizing Spellman for doing her job and instead demand that Tammy and Reichert do theirs. Poor ASCMC leadership should not use DOS as a scapegoat for their mistakes.

    • Don’t blame me. I voted for CJ. He predicted this shit. Didn’t he say that he would give us all back money and let us buy our own booze? That’s what I thought.

    • to the RA that clearly wrote the above post (only an RA could be that out of touch with the student body and so defensive of DOS.) There has not been 1 keg at a tnc, even the South Quad ones, in years. The school has always had that dumb rule on the books but turned a blind eye. It is not Reicherts fault that under his term as DAC, DOS decided to start cracking down. DOS cant establish a culture at this school through years of a lax drinking policy and enforcement of the rules, and then be shocked when students get pissed off that they are changing our way of life. Drinking openly on campus was originally designed for our safety, and I truly hope that the only negative of changing the drinking culture at CMC is just less donations from disgruntled Alumns.

    • First off, you are bashing two people by name, but not using yours (good job champ), two people with years of ASCMC-DOS experience under their belts, so before you bash them, grow some courage and check some history, because we didn’t launch an appeal to keep dean huang here because he alienated students and did not want CMC to be ranked the happiest school in the country. no, this one is on DOS’s shoulders, so them and their proxies of pettiness, some select RA’s, should back down and remember what it is like to be treated like an adult on YOUR campus

  33. To me it’s clear that the CMC administration is strategically trying to kill CMC’s drinking culture. Obviously they understand that they can’t do it in one year or probably even four, but with each successive year that they are able to enact changes to the drinking-scene at CMC, they are making way for an entirely different school culture. Over time we will attract fundamentally different students and this will undermine the CMC culture at large (not just the partying scene) that we all have come to love and cherish.

    It is a profound misunderstanding to think about this as merely just an alcohol policy issue. CMC’s alcohol policies (closely alongside all of CMC’s illustrious institutional assets) directly impact the school’s ability to attract the best students for the school. And when I say best for the school, I mean those most likely to achieve success and in turn improve the school (financially and through using their influence).

    We are not abstimous–nor do we wish to be; and yes this stance actually makes us more capable to take on the world. Let it be known, we are not preachers at CMC, we are Presidents!

  34. To me it’s clear that the CMC administration is strategically trying to kill CMC’s drinking culture. Obviously they understand that they can’t do it in one year or probably even four, but with each successive year that they are able to enact changes to the drinking-scene at CMC, they are making way for an entirely different school culture. Over time we will attract fundamentally different students and this will undermine the CMC culture at large (not just the partying scene) that we all have come to love and cherish.

    It is a profound misunderstanding to think about this as merely just an alcohol policy issue. CMC’s alcohol policies (closely alongside all of CMC’s illustrious institutional assets) directly impact the school’s ability to attract the best students for the school. And when I say best for the school, I mean those most likely to achieve success and in turn improve the school (financially and through using their influence).

    We are not abstimous–nor do we wish to be; and yes this stance actually makes us more capable to take on the world. Let it be known, we are not preachers at CMC, we are Presidents!

  35. I feel bad for the Freshman. Not much incentive to come back from abroad now… I live in a wet city!

  36. I feel bad for the Freshman. Not much incentive to come back from abroad now… I live in a wet city!

  37. This steady loss of basic rights will not stand. Sorry CMC, but your students are too educated and aware to let these RIDICULOUS attempts to curb our rights stand. As students, we should also recognize the common thread behind these loses of rights. They started when a new Dean, whose name might start with an S, was hired.

    On a more serious note, I am a senior, and i have personally heard the freshman’s response to the loss of TNC, which is to buy lots of hard A (cheap vodka) and drink it in individual rooms. Well done DOS, mission accomplished. We’ll be right there with Pomona before we know it.

  38. This steady loss of basic rights will not stand. Sorry CMC, but your students are too educated and aware to let these RIDICULOUS attempts to curb our rights stand. As students, we should also recognize the common thread behind these loses of rights. They started when a new Dean, whose name might start with an S, was hired.

    On a more serious note, I am a senior, and i have personally heard the freshman’s response to the loss of TNC, which is to buy lots of hard A (cheap vodka) and drink it in individual rooms. Well done DOS, mission accomplished. We’ll be right there with Pomona before we know it.

  39. if this trend isn’t stopped, maybe the seniors will have to organize a non-donation policy to directly influence our ranking.

    we’ll take a hit in the “most beer” category but will likely take a bigger hit on “student happiness”

    -“Alumni giving rate (5 percent). This reflects the average percentage of living alumni with bachelor’s degrees who gave to their school during 2007-08 and 2008-09, which is an indirect measure of student satisfaction.”

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2010/08/17/how-us-news-calculates-the-college-rankings.html?PageNr=4

  40. if this trend isn’t stopped, maybe the seniors will have to organize a non-donation policy to directly influence our ranking.

    we’ll take a hit in the “most beer” category but will likely take a bigger hit on “student happiness”

    -“Alumni giving rate (5 percent). This reflects the average percentage of living alumni with bachelor’s degrees who gave to their school during 2007-08 and 2008-09, which is an indirect measure of student satisfaction.”

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2010/08/17/how-us-news-calculates-the-college-rankings.html?PageNr=4

  41. As a Pitzer kid, I really hope that this trend of administrations sucking really hard doesn’t continue. Pitzer’s administration banned drinking games, and the CMC administration is trying to take down TNC. What’s next? No beer pong allowed outside at CMC?

    These policies are trash. The new administrations (Pitzer recently restructured) need to stop trying to make a political statement by throwing their weight around and banning things that have comfortably been in place for many years.

  42. As a Pitzer kid, I really hope that this trend of administrations sucking really hard doesn’t continue. Pitzer’s administration banned drinking games, and the CMC administration is trying to take down TNC. What’s next? No beer pong allowed outside at CMC?

    These policies are trash. The new administrations (Pitzer recently restructured) need to stop trying to make a political statement by throwing their weight around and banning things that have comfortably been in place for many years.

  43. Some of these points have already been made but some of you maybe need to hear it again…How many people actually go to TNC to drink the beer? I think that most of us drink in our rooms or in the lounges with our friends and then head to TNC to have a good time and hang out NOT to go drink cheap beer. I honestly don’t think that beer is necessary at TNC and don’t think that by not having beer at TNC students are going to hide in their rooms and binge drink. DOS has not said that we are not allowed to drink…you just can’t get beer at TNC! I don’t see what the big deal is.

    Also…for you non-CMC students…the beer at TNC isn’t even for you! so quit complaining because you shouldn’t have been drinking it in the first place.

    • As a Scripps senior who knows a thing or two about stringent alcohol policies, I can tell you from personal experience that when people aren’t a) provided with alcohol at parties, and b) able to drink out in the open, they do hole up in their rooms and binge drink…at the very least they attempt to get hammered enough before going out to stay drunk all night. Those who can go off campus to drink—–this is how people end up in the hospital/dead. (And besides my personal experience, there’s plenty of studies to support this.)

      I think people are right to be worried about the apparent crackdown coming from CMC administration. For now they’re focusing on making sure that ASCMC isn’t purchasing more kegs than are registered and enforcing the CMC-only rule for TNC…so for now the traditional CMC social culture survives.
      But wait until they actually start coming down on underage drinking–this is when shit gets interesting.

      Good Luck CMC!

  44. Some of these points have already been made but some of you maybe need to hear it again…How many people actually go to TNC to drink the beer? I think that most of us drink in our rooms or in the lounges with our friends and then head to TNC to have a good time and hang out NOT to go drink cheap beer. I honestly don’t think that beer is necessary at TNC and don’t think that by not having beer at TNC students are going to hide in their rooms and binge drink. DOS has not said that we are not allowed to drink…you just can’t get beer at TNC! I don’t see what the big deal is.

    Also…for you non-CMC students…the beer at TNC isn’t even for you! so quit complaining because you shouldn’t have been drinking it in the first place.

  45. Why are we worried about a few extra kegs when Charles Johnson is pooping on the 7th floor of Stark?

    I think it’s about time we got our priorities straight. Shit stinks worse than beer.

      • Yeah, because you know it’s cool to lie about someone in a public forum when you are an anonymous loser that can’t find his own dick in the dark. Losers.

  46. Why are we worried about a few extra kegs when Charles Johnson is pooping on the 7th floor of Stark?

    I think it’s about time we got our priorities straight. Shit stinks worse than beer.

      • Yeah, because you know it’s cool to lie about someone in a public forum when you are an anonymous loser that can’t find his own dick in the dark. Losers.

    • I want TNC back just as much as any one else, but these next few weeks seem to be the time to let DOS cool-off on the coals, rather than attempting to ignite new flames. Besides, we play with DOS’ fire, we’re definitely going to get burned.

      We’ve just, as a school, been basically put in time-out for breaking the rules. The last thing our “parent,” (DOS) wants to hear is sass-back during these next two weeks. Before we gather to brainstorm ways to “combat” the DOS, as your event suggests, let’s consider taking our punishment like grown ups.

      We need to demonstrate more maturity and more respect for DOS’ policies if we want them to trust us again. Challenging them at a moment like this is not going to help our case.

      • I completely disagree.

        The student body and ASCMC are not in the wrong, they are doing things the way they have been done for the three years I have spent at CMC and most certainly long before that. None of this would have been an issue at all pre Spellmen. DOS is changing the rules to the game and expects us to accept these changes as the new order of things. Laying low and keeping quiet sounds like a great way to watch the great things about CMC that we have come to take for granted disappear.

        • could it possibly have more to do with the new security team than spellman? maybe the old security people never told DoS about extra kegs, therefore DoS never had to do anything, but when the new security notified them of the situation (whether or not they were aware before), they were forced to enforce the rules due to the fact that they could no longer ignore it because it was presented right to them. i mean, have you ever met henry watkins? that dude means business, and i could definitely see him putting the pressure on to make sure we as students are in a “safe” environment, which means less alcohol.

          also, i’m still just uncomfortable handing dean spellman the blame for all of this sudden change. as the pitzer student noted before, this shift in school policy is something that is not just unique to CMC. if it’s a 5C shift, then security might have more influence in this than we think, considering they work with all 5Cs.

      • Dear Too Soon, Man,
        You’re Pathetic. You sound like a little boy. Be a MAN. Shut up and have a beer. Loosen up shooter

        Kisses,
        Steve

    • I want TNC back just as much as any one else, but these next few weeks seem to be the time to let DOS cool-off on the coals, rather than attempting to ignite new flames. Besides, we play with DOS’ fire, we’re definitely going to get burned.

      We’ve just, as a school, been basically put in time-out for breaking the rules. The last thing our “parent,” (DOS) wants to hear is sass-back during these next two weeks. Before we gather to brainstorm ways to “combat” the DOS, as your event suggests, let’s consider taking our punishment like grown ups.

      We need to demonstrate more maturity and more respect for DOS’ policies if we want them to trust us again. Challenging them at a moment like this is not going to help our case.

      • I completely disagree.

        The student body and ASCMC are not in the wrong, they are doing things the way they have been done for the three years I have spent at CMC and most certainly long before that. None of this would have been an issue at all pre Spellmen. DOS is changing the rules to the game and expects us to accept these changes as the new order of things. Laying low and keeping quiet sounds like a great way to watch the great things about CMC that we have come to take for granted disappear.

        • could it possibly have more to do with the new security team than spellman? maybe the old security people never told DoS about extra kegs, therefore DoS never had to do anything, but when the new security notified them of the situation (whether or not they were aware before), they were forced to enforce the rules due to the fact that they could no longer ignore it because it was presented right to them. i mean, have you ever met henry watkins? that dude means business, and i could definitely see him putting the pressure on to make sure we as students are in a “safe” environment, which means less alcohol.

          also, i’m still just uncomfortable handing dean spellman the blame for all of this sudden change. as the pitzer student noted before, this shift in school policy is something that is not just unique to CMC. if it’s a 5C shift, then security might have more influence in this than we think, considering they work with all 5Cs.

  47. sophomore:

    the security guards of the past we’re likely instructed to not enforce particular rules strictly, when spellman arrived they got new orders . . .

  48. sophomore:

    the security guards of the past we’re likely instructed to not enforce particular rules strictly, when spellman arrived they got new orders . . .

  49. Guys, just in case you didn’t know, I am Captain of the Baseball Team. Also, in the summer, I worked an internship at Deloitte.

    Regards,
    Dave Ulrich

  50. The continuation of actions such as this are likely to lead to a substantial decline in the overall happiness of CMC students. I understand the administrations stand on these matter but I think they’ve seriously miscalculated the potential consequences of tightening up alcohol enforcement. The school’s social life, culture, and academics are all inextricably linked. If the administration tries to close CMC’s open culture, the school will lose its edge in attracting top students (particularly students who choose CMC over Pomona and other more “highly ranked” institutions) and the future “leaders” that they are constantly touting.

    CMC is really a unique place and it’s culture is like no other. I hope that, for the sake of preserving those wonderfully-CMC qualities, the administration (yes, it’s Dean of Students but you can chalk most of this up to the administration) is more careful about how it goes about covering its liability and involving itself in CMC traditions.

  51. Looks like the seniors are getting out of CMC before they totally destroy everything that gave CMC its identity… Let’s just all agree not to donate any money to the senior gift, maybe that will get their attention

    • You’re an idiot. Do you know what the senior gift is? It’s what the senior’s give when they transition from student to alumnus. Moron. Did you expect that you bestowed upon the seniors some wonderful gift?

      To quote a not-so-great superhero movie….

      WRONG!

      • this post doesn’t even make sense… they care about alumni participation rates in donating so seniors not donating back would hurt the school

        • Right Lollgager, but this post by Hamsterdam implies that the “Seniors are destroying the party scene, so everyone who is not a senior should not donate to the senior gift”.

          Can you interpret that statement a different way?

        • Well, I’m pretty sure that statement actually implies that the seniors, at least, are graduating from CMC before they, as in the administration, destroys the CMC culture… and that we, as in the seniors, shouldn’t donate money to our senior gift to get their, as in the administration’s, attention.

        • ah, funny. The typical cmc douchebag who thinks he’s some gift to mankind. I apologized for misreading his (albeit poorly written) sentence. But I don’t apologize for this– go f**k yourself.

        • See, I wasn’t being a douche because you misread his sentence. I just thought it was a little funny (okay, ironically hilarious – my entire apartment had a good laugh over it) that you’re dropping bombs like “You’re an idiot” and “moron” when, in fact, you were the one in the wrong. Settle down, little stag.

  52. Down with this Spellman witch and down with my future alumni giving to the college I cherish so strongly. Spellman, if you are reading this please be advised that you are inching yourself towards campus-wide ridicule and that most students and alumni are opposed to you trying to change historically good things. I hereby PROMISE to stop giving and to spread the word about the decline of a once-special environment where young people were treated with the respect and autonomy they deserved AND paid for.

  53. Since POS Spellman apparently isn’t familiar with CMC’s history, maybe you can trick her into repeating it: Take your social scene back up to Mt. Baldy and drive drunk down the hill at the end of the night. Then maybe they’ll reliberalize the rules to bring you back on campus…

  54. Guys, I really don’t see the problem. Why do we even need the kegs at the parties? How many people actually rely on that (or those) keg(s)? The majority of the people just drink in their room/lounge/apartment/etc., so why don’t we just have a TNC next week (31st of september) without a keg? I know I would have a good time.

    Best regards.

    • Pieter,
      Let me explain to you when the kegs at a TNC are necessary. The kegs are not there for the pre gamers or the weathered campus partiers: the kegs are there for those who are coming for a beer or two, socialize with a few friends and then call it a night. People don’t come to the TNCs to get drunk by any means, rather these parties are a meeting place of all students across the campus, a place where we toast the end of our academic week with one another, a place where the student who lives in North Quad falls in love with the girl on the eighth floor of Fawcett, a place where the Monday night booze hound argues over politics and power with the one who lives for his politico blog’o’sphere, TNC serves as the vehicle to promote the greatest quality of this school, genuine inclusiveness. The kegs help to lubricate these wheels, without them the numbers at the TNCs will be noticeably affected, these nights will be judged as failures, but more importantly we will lose the spontaneous interactions that are the heart of what makes this place what it is. That is my belief, and if you would like to talk to me more about it email me at [email protected] and we can set up a time to have lunch.
      And before all you grammatical Nazis jump down my throat, let’s get the message before we start criticizing about my run on sentence or my extensive use of commas. I am an econ major for a reason, writing is not my strength but I am working on it.

      Alexander

      • Reichert,

        I agree with your statement that people go to TNC mainly to socialize. I think it is a great event in this regard.

        Why does removing kegs change this? Do people suddenly not want to socialize because they miss out on a beer or two?

        The function of TNC is to provide a venue for people to come together, and I think we can still have a great environment and a fun party without having to provide alcohol.

        • How about this?

          Kegs at TNC…not necessary, but probably helpful. Yes it’s possible to socialize without drinking, but most adults have a drink or two when they go out with friends. If you’re planning a social event, wanting to provide drinks in the most cost effective way possible makes sense. So, having a keg to provide a couple hundred “free” drinks makes sense.

          The issue is that some (most?) CMCers (and other 5C students) don’t just go to have a drink or two. If getting drunk is the goal for too many students, it throws everything off. Party planners feel like they have to provide more alcohol, there is a greater risk of people doing stupid things, and DOS is more likely to question whether TNC is such a good idea.

          It seems like we should be able to strike a balance once TNC comes back, right?

        • How about this?

          Kegs at TNC…not necessary, but probably helpful. Yes it’s possible to socialize without drinking, but most adults have a drink or two when they go out with friends. If you’re planning a social event, wanting to provide drinks in the most cost effective way possible makes sense. So, having a keg to provide a couple hundred “free” drinks makes sense.

          The issue is that some (most?) CMCers (and other 5C students) don’t just go to have a drink or two. If getting drunk is the goal for too many students, it throws everything off. Party planners feel like they have to provide more alcohol, there is a greater risk of people doing stupid things, and DOS is more likely to question whether TNC is such a good idea.

          It seems like we should be able to strike a balance once TNC comes back, right?

      • Reichert,

        I agree with your statement that people go to TNC mainly to socialize. I think it is a great event in this regard.

        Why does removing kegs change this? Do people suddenly not want to socialize because they miss out on a beer or two?

        The function of TNC is to provide a venue for people to come together, and I think we can still have a great environment and a fun party without having to provide alcohol.

      • Your reasonings are highly flawed, I don’t see how all of them are correlated to why kegs are necessary at TNC.

        –I’ll just pick at two points, though, since I could never disagree with having kegs at TNC.
        1) For as many people come to TNC to “just socialize”, just as many come to get drunk, dance, hook up, and all that. Maybe not as out in full force as Saturday, but you cannot generalize it like that. Sweeping generalizations are bad.

        2) And so are exaggerations. Forgive my skepticism, but I highly doubt “The student who lives in N. Quad falls in love with the girl living in Fawcett”. That sounds like the ideology of some naive freshman girl who goes to parties looking for true love. Pardon the expression, I couldn’t think of a better way to phrase it.

        So while I think there should be TNCs, and it is socialization, let’s not mince words–it’s a party, and around here, people seem to require being drunk to socialize on that level.

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