Want Takeout? Pay up.

Sharp-eyed students at Scripps dining hall may have spotted this notice outside Mallott, “Yes, it is true the charge will be $0.50 per-takeout kit at all the colleges…” What I had hoped to brush off as mere speculation was just confirmed by Pam Franco, General Manager of Collins. Starting next year, 5C students taking their meals to-go must pay a fifty cent fee per use, out of pocket.

Franco attributed the addition charge to rising costs of eco-friendly containers, “The cost of one to go kit is about 3 to 4 times the cost of what it was last year when we switched from Styrofoam (very inexpensive at the time) to the compostable.” According to the notice outside Mallott, “…Scripps College spends $18,000 per semester on paper products for takeout,” and the new charge ($0.50 for a clam shell container, utensils, and a cup) should just cover expenditures. Plus, there is a sense that fewer boxes would be better generally for the colleges; apparently it would “help the environment, help contain costs to keep prices as low as possible and help encourage a sense of community at the dining halls.” So to keep pace with rising costs and to reduce take-out usage, the dining halls are adding a pay-as-you-go fee for take-out kits. They have discussed making the charge payable by cash, Claremont Cash, and flex, but are still working out the details and are considering paid but reusable alternatives.

However students end up having to pay the charge, having to pay it now is certain–though this fact seems largely unknown. The Student Life and Claremont Conservative have speculated on this possibility, but some initial reactions from CMC students suggest most still don’t know–and aren’t happy to find out now. CMCer Julie Smith ’10 remarked, “This seems like the kind of thing they should have to tell students about before deciding. I mean, we pay over $50,000 per year for tuition, room, board and meals, but we still have to pay for takeout containers?”

Even at $0.50, the take-out charge could significantly impact students’ choices and day-to-day life, since the fee will have to be paid out of pocket, not through the total cost of the meal plan. If the change had been in effect this semester, those students with tight lunchtime schedules two days a week would have to pay at least $14 in takeout fees. Add in two more meals a week (maybe busy Monday and Wednesday dinners) and the total climbs to $28. A hypothetical hermit who ate every lunch and dinner in his or her own room would have to shell out $98 dollars to avoid the company of other human beings. Students with less flex to throw around might keep students from frequenting such student hangouts as the Muddhole, the Coop or the Hub.

Of course, the full impact of the change remains to be seen, but what’s certain now is that whether students are know it or not, come next year everybody will find that getting food from the 5C dining halls has just become a little more expensive.

Rising Senior

I was signed up for the 8 meal plan for next year (I’m living in the apts), but am reconsidering now if it will be a hassle to get takeout.

I think a few of my friends will reconsider as well.

By the time three or four of us seniors go off the meal plan, Collins has lost all the revenue they would have lost on paying for “paper products.”

Who makes these ridiculously stupid decisions? I hope it isn’t Dean of Students or anyone in the CMC administration and is purely a lack of business acumen from Bon Appetit.
Rising Senior

I was signed up for the 8 meal plan for next year (I’m living in the apts), but am reconsidering now if it will be a hassle to get takeout.

I think a few of my friends will reconsider as well.

By the time three or four of us seniors go off the meal plan, Collins has lost all the revenue they would have lost on paying for “paper products.”

Who makes these ridiculously stupid decisions? I hope it isn’t Dean of Students or anyone in the CMC administration and is purely a lack of business acumen from Bon Appetit.
I approve

For those who don’t want to pay, tupperware is always an option. Being green is about reuseability, not wasting a new container once or twice a day. I would prefer if there was a free sytrofoam container for the non green amongst us, as I have no right to impose my beliefs on others, but I do support this sin tax.

And to rising senior, Collins buys food based off of how many students dine their. We all see the tallys the cardswiper writes down. This is done to help dictate demand trends and to see how much food to order. I assume there is no significant economies of scale savings for Collins. So less people dining there shouldn’t have a huge impact on their profitability.

Think Again

While tupperware might seem like an option when this option was discussed with the management of Collins they said that they will not be letting individuals bring their own tupperware because of the increased possibility of spreading germs and general sanitation issues.

Of course, you might be able to get around this by putting food on a Collins plate, going to a table, and then covertly putting the food in your personal container… but you have still created dirty dishes at Collins that need to be washed.

Kim

I know either Pitzer or Scripps were discussing having special tupperware for use in their halls. The idea is that you buy one, use it and bring back the dirty one for a clean one when you need to use the tupperware again.

While it would be a little inconvenient to remember the thing, I wished that Collins would adopt this program as well.
Jillian

Tupperware is NOT an option.

I am a big fan of reducing my personal waste, so I had the bright idea to bring a tupperware container (freshly cleaned) to the dining hall. I was not allowed to enter the dining hall with the tupperware.

A Scripps student who tried to bring in tupperware was told it was “against dining hall policy” to allow students to put food directly into tupperware because it had the possibility of transferring germs from the container to the serving utensil.

While I think it is RIDICULOUS not to allow students to bring in their own containers, I understand the need for caution in order to avoid germ distribution.

I approve

For those who don’t want to pay, tupperware is always an option. Being green is about reuseability, not wasting a new container once or twice a day. I would prefer if there was a free sytrofoam container for the non green amongst us, as I have no right to impose my beliefs on others, but I do support this sin tax.

And to rising senior, Collins buys food based off of how many students dine their. We all see the tallys the cardswiper writes down. This is done to help dictate demand trends and to see how much food to order. I assume there is no significant economies of scale savings for Collins. So less people dining there shouldn’t have a huge impact on their profitability.

Think Again

While tupperware might seem like an option when this option was discussed with the management of Collins they said that they will not be letting individuals bring their own tupperware because of the increased possibility of spreading germs and general sanitation issues.

Of course, you might be able to get around this by putting food on a Collins plate, going to a table, and then covertly putting the food in your personal container… but you have still created dirty dishes at Collins that need to be washed.

Kim

I know either Pitzer or Scripps were discussing having special tupperware for use in their halls. The idea is that you buy one, use it and bring back the dirty one for a clean one when you need to use the tupperware again.

While it would be a little inconvenient to remember the thing, I wished that Collins would adopt this program as well.
Jillian

Tupperware is NOT an option.

I am a big fan of reducing my personal waste, so I had the bright idea to bring a tupperware container (freshly cleaned) to the dining hall. I was not allowed to enter the dining hall with the tupperware.

A Scripps student who tried to bring in tupperware was told it was “against dining hall policy” to allow students to put food directly into tupperware because it had the possibility of transferring germs from the container to the serving utensil.

While I think it is RIDICULOUS not to allow students to bring in their own containers, I understand the need for caution in order to avoid germ distribution.

this is lame

this plan is lame.
this is lame

this plan is lame.
robert

the attack on our liberties has begun! just you wait until the ecofriendly among us tell us how many times we can do laundry or take a shower. soon we will have to make forced donations to the savior of the universe, Al Gore, every time we waste some food!

Look out! It’s Man-bear-pig!!

On another note, I wish they would let ppl use Tupperware if they wanted. Just make sure you don’t touch the dish when your serving the food.

Jillian

This is a move less motivated by “eco-friendly” than cost management. I don’t like the decision either, but they are really just trying to make the decision more acceptable by saying “eco friendly” because, in the long run, while it does make a difference in the waste that is put in landfills, it won’t make people change their lifestyles.

robert

the attack on our liberties has begun! just you wait until the ecofriendly among us tell us how many times we can do laundry or take a shower. soon we will have to make forced donations to the savior of the universe, Al Gore, every time we waste some food!

Look out! It’s Man-bear-pig!!

On another note, I wish they would let ppl use Tupperware if they wanted. Just make sure you don’t touch the dish when your serving the food.

Jillian

This is a move less motivated by “eco-friendly” than cost management. I don’t like the decision either, but they are really just trying to make the decision more acceptable by saying “eco friendly” because, in the long run, while it does make a difference in the waste that is put in landfills, it won’t make people change their lifestyles.

http://claremontconservative.com Charles Johnson

Looks like it is settled. Time to exit the meal plan.
http://claremontconservative.com Charles Johnson

Looks like it is settled. Time to exit the meal plan.
Kale—side effects

although the tax is unfortunate, the side effects will likely be positive:

more people eating in, meeting each other, enjoying longer, healthier meals.
Kale—side effects

although the tax is unfortunate, the side effects will likely be positive:

more people eating in, meeting each other, enjoying longer, healthier meals.
Necessary Evil?

Those people that get take out for every meal and eat in their Stark rooms while watching Deal or No Deal need to freshen up and enjoy the friendly and social CMC atmosphere. This policy will encourage students to enjoy each others’ company. Yes, it will be a small cost for those evenings when a long paper is due the next day, but it will not be an inconvenience, just a cost–and it’s 50 cents. So, you can still take out when you need it, but otherwise why not sit down with a few friends, professors, or complete strangers and share a meal together. It does seem wasteful and unnecessary to spend $18,000 per year on portable food products that will be thrown away in 10 minutes when a friendly, well lit dining room with real silverware and plates is available, at a much lower cost to the dining hall.

Collins in not a fast food restaurant or Mix Bowl, THANK GOD, so you will not die by eating there a few more times per week. I welcome this change.
Necessary Evil?

Those people that get take out for every meal and eat in their Stark rooms while watching Deal or No Deal need to freshen up and enjoy the friendly and social CMC atmosphere. This policy will encourage students to enjoy each others’ company. Yes, it will be a small cost for those evenings when a long paper is due the next day, but it will not be an inconvenience, just a cost–and it’s 50 cents. So, you can still take out when you need it, but otherwise why not sit down with a few friends, professors, or complete strangers and share a meal together. It does seem wasteful and unnecessary to spend $18,000 per year on portable food products that will be thrown away in 10 minutes when a friendly, well lit dining room with real silverware and plates is available, at a much lower cost to the dining hall.

Collins in not a fast food restaurant or Mix Bowl, THANK GOD, so you will not die by eating there a few more times per week. I welcome this change.
http://claremontconservative.com Charles Johnson

Here’s my post from today, if you’re looking for the links.

I prophesized that this day would come and I was mocked, but it looks like I was right all along. (Yeah, I’ll admit it. I don’t hate to say I told you so.)

The Forum writes that we will now be charged $.50 for takeout containers. Pomona’s Food Committee recommended the first changes, which I wrote about back here in early March. At the time, the I’m-not-making-this-up-and-it-still-sounds Orwellian Food Committee, suggested that their policies could save the college upwards of $100,000. (I’d dispute those figures until I see them performed by a reputable and serious group. We know environmentalists cannot do math thanks to Dan O’Toole CMC ’09.)

My prediction is that this amount will rise to over one dollar and that the rise will occur faster when they make it payable by Claremont Cash as there will be no incentive to keep costs lower. (The thinking for this is the based, in part, on the research done by the MIT economist, Amy Finkelstein, who has found that when EZ-passes are installed, the changes to the tolls become less noticeable. For you Californians, you don’t know what it’s like having to pay for those tolls. It’s awful.)

Of course, competition to the new styrofoam monopoly won’t be forthcoming as so costs will likely rise. Students will not be allowed to take in tupperware containers as there is a fear that they won’t be as clean or as washed and students will not be allowed to bring their own takeout containers into Collins. (Current online estimates show that it costs between 17 and 23 cents wholesale to purchase the same hinged styrofoam containers. Mind you, that’s much lower than the proposed 50 cent cost.)

I have a solution for Bon Appetit and others looking to save costs. Let those of us who live in the dorms exit the meal plan. I often get sick from eating at Collins. I would love to exit the plan and yet still live close to my classes.

But hey, maybe we can be grateful? After all, the campus left isn’t proposing a progressive policy of forcing students off financial aid to pay more for their containers.

I’ll have more thoughts on food choices after my stats exam tomorrow where I will put up video of the protests that tried to shut down Frary Dining Hall today and nearly succeeded.

Google Tollroads California

Unrelated to takeout:
We have pretty good toll roads in California. But it’s odd to see a self-proclaimed libertarian be so against them. They’re efficient and save time. Most importantly, they make you feel awesome when you speed past those suckers stuck on the 91. Paying more for a service is what capitalism is all about, Charles. Back to the takeout, I don’t support these bailouts for the anti-social if there’s a good chance that perfectly good tupperware is likely to be available. It feels too much like welfare for acquaintance-challenged.

http://claremontconservative.com Charles Johnson

Here’s my post from today, if you’re looking for the links.

I prophesized that this day would come and I was mocked, but it looks like I was right all along. (Yeah, I’ll admit it. I don’t hate to say I told you so.)

The Forum writes that we will now be charged $.50 for takeout containers. Pomona’s Food Committee recommended the first changes, which I wrote about back here in early March. At the time, the I’m-not-making-this-up-and-it-still-sounds Orwellian Food Committee, suggested that their policies could save the college upwards of $100,000. (I’d dispute those figures until I see them performed by a reputable and serious group. We know environmentalists cannot do math thanks to Dan O’Toole CMC ’09.)

My prediction is that this amount will rise to over one dollar and that the rise will occur faster when they make it payable by Claremont Cash as there will be no incentive to keep costs lower. (The thinking for this is the based, in part, on the research done by the MIT economist, Amy Finkelstein, who has found that when EZ-passes are installed, the changes to the tolls become less noticeable. For you Californians, you don’t know what it’s like having to pay for those tolls. It’s awful.)

Of course, competition to the new styrofoam monopoly won’t be forthcoming as so costs will likely rise. Students will not be allowed to take in tupperware containers as there is a fear that they won’t be as clean or as washed and students will not be allowed to bring their own takeout containers into Collins. (Current online estimates show that it costs between 17 and 23 cents wholesale to purchase the same hinged styrofoam containers. Mind you, that’s much lower than the proposed 50 cent cost.)

I have a solution for Bon Appetit and others looking to save costs. Let those of us who live in the dorms exit the meal plan. I often get sick from eating at Collins. I would love to exit the plan and yet still live close to my classes.

But hey, maybe we can be grateful? After all, the campus left isn’t proposing a progressive policy of forcing students off financial aid to pay more for their containers.

I’ll have more thoughts on food choices after my stats exam tomorrow where I will put up video of the protests that tried to shut down Frary Dining Hall today and nearly succeeded.

Google Tollroads California

Unrelated to takeout:
We have pretty good toll roads in California. But it’s odd to see a self-proclaimed libertarian be so against them. They’re efficient and save time. Most importantly, they make you feel awesome when you speed past those suckers stuck on the 91. Paying more for a service is what capitalism is all about, Charles. Back to the takeout, I don’t support these bailouts for the anti-social if there’s a good chance that perfectly good tupperware is likely to be available. It feels too much like welfare for acquaintance-challenged.

Drew

As an antisocial person, I feel offended and discriminated by these new policies. Being antisocial is not a choice; I was born hating everyone and unfairly stereotyping others based on minor flaws. Why should I be forced to eat food in a loud room, surrounded by people I don’t like talking about things I’m not interested in when I could be in my room eating and watching some internet TV or studying. Who are you to decide what’s good for people? Repressing my antisocial tendencies is good for me?

How bout we do an experiment. Give us the option of getting takeout out with the free Styrofoam box or, if you’re noble enough to want to save an earth that is apparently on the brink of apocalypse, you pay 50 cents for your special box. I wonder what will happen at this school full of econ majors.

By the way, I find the term “hermit” offensive. I prefer that others refer to us as socially impaired (and I assume other antisocial people prefer this, but I wouldn’t know). I demand that Will Broer step down as writer for the forum, and expect a written apology for being so insensitive. Forcing us to pay an antisocial tax because hippies want to force their values upon us is just wrong. You know I dislike people in general but I especially dislike environmental “crusaders.”
Drew

As an antisocial person, I feel offended and discriminated by these new policies. Being antisocial is not a choice; I was born hating everyone and unfairly stereotyping others based on minor flaws. Why should I be forced to eat food in a loud room, surrounded by people I don’t like talking about things I’m not interested in when I could be in my room eating and watching some internet TV or studying. Who are you to decide what’s good for people? Repressing my antisocial tendencies is good for me?

How bout we do an experiment. Give us the option of getting takeout out with the free Styrofoam box or, if you’re noble enough to want to save an earth that is apparently on the brink of apocalypse, you pay 50 cents for your special box. I wonder what will happen at this school full of econ majors.

By the way, I find the term “hermit” offensive. I prefer that others refer to us as socially impaired (and I assume other antisocial people prefer this, but I wouldn’t know). I demand that Will Broer step down as writer for the forum, and expect a written apology for being so insensitive. Forcing us to pay an antisocial tax because hippies want to force their values upon us is just wrong. You know I dislike people in general but I especially dislike environmental “crusaders.”
Hope

Amen, Drew. You speak for many.
Hope

Amen, Drew. You speak for many.
CMCCCCCCCCC

anti social or not it’s still pretty weird to sit down and eat with someone you dont know as someone earlier suggested

Question: will we have to pay for the to go cups if we eat in and than want to grab a coffee or tea for class?

Zak Effron

What is this, high school musical? I see students eating by themselves at breakfast all the time (myself included). Sometimes they are studying, sometimes they are just eating, but that doesn’t make them weird. This happens less at dinner and lunch, but one shouldn’t be ashamed from eating in a dining hall by themselves.
Madison

You’re already not allowed to take to go cups if you eat at Collins. Also, I agree with Zac Efron that there is nothing weird about eating with someone you don’t know. It doesn’t happen very often at CMC or the Claremont Colleges, but at larger universities, it happens quite frequently.

CMCCCCCCCCC

anti social or not it’s still pretty weird to sit down and eat with someone you dont know as someone earlier suggested

Question: will we have to pay for the to go cups if we eat in and than want to grab a coffee or tea for class?

Zak Effron

What is this, high school musical? I see students eating by themselves at breakfast all the time (myself included). Sometimes they are studying, sometimes they are just eating, but that doesn’t make them weird. This happens less at dinner and lunch, but one shouldn’t be ashamed from eating in a dining hall by themselves.
Madison

You’re already not allowed to take to go cups if you eat at Collins. Also, I agree with Zac Efron that there is nothing weird about eating with someone you don’t know. It doesn’t happen very often at CMC or the Claremont Colleges, but at larger universities, it happens quite frequently.

Anonymous

Charles Johnson, when you say that because Dan O’Toole didn’t do math correctly and applying that to all environmentalists, isn’t that like saying that because one conservative messed up on math all conservatives can’t do math or that because one black person committed a crime, all black people commit crimes?

I also agree with Zak Effron

http://www.thestaghen.com Carl Peaslee

I think you got things mixed up here.

Dan O’Toole = writer for Claremont Conservative…

I don’t actually care but I thought I’d point that out before we start calling people “environmentalists.”

Tina

What are you talking about? If by “environmentalist” you mean “inhumane dick,” then Dan O’Toole is an environmentalist.

Anonymous

Charles Johnson, when you say that because Dan O’Toole didn’t do math correctly and applying that to all environmentalists, isn’t that like saying that because one conservative messed up on math all conservatives can’t do math or that because one black person committed a crime, all black people commit crimes?

I also agree with Zak Effron

http://www.thestaghen.com Carl Peaslee

I think you got things mixed up here.

Dan O’Toole = writer for Claremont Conservative…

I don’t actually care but I thought I’d point that out before we start calling people “environmentalists.”

Tina

What are you talking about? If by “environmentalist” you mean “inhumane dick,” then Dan O’Toole is an environmentalist.

B

Dear the Claremont Colleges,

F**k you for your asinine way of doing things. For the amount we pay to go here, we shouldn’t pay shit to satisfy the hippie culture.
B

Dear the Claremont Colleges,

F**k you for your asinine way of doing things. For the amount we pay to go here, we shouldn’t pay shit to satisfy the hippie culture.
keep it real

what an inconvenience 50 cents would be. not only would you have to pay, but you’d also have to wait for them slide your card an extra time or w/e. if you have class at noon and want to bring your lunch there you’d be forced to wake up earlier just so you eat in. lame. bring back the styrofoam, fuck the environment.

i agree with drew, make the eco friendly box optional. the meal plan is already a huge rip off, no need to make it worse
keep it real

what an inconvenience 50 cents would be. not only would you have to pay, but you’d also have to wait for them slide your card an extra time or w/e. if you have class at noon and want to bring your lunch there you’d be forced to wake up earlier just so you eat in. lame. bring back the styrofoam, fuck the environment.

i agree with drew, make the eco friendly box optional. the meal plan is already a huge rip off, no need to make it worse
HEY CJ

Hey, no response Charles?
HEY CJ

Hey, no response Charles?
THE MEAL PLAN IS SO OVER PRICE

…that this new plan has to be a joke!!!
THE MEAL PLAN IS SO OVER PRICED…

…that this new plan has to be a joke!!!
WTF

what the f**ck.
WTF

what the f**ck.
lame

this is ridiculous. we pay 10 grand to eat at collins which is broke anyways…f*ck if i’m going to pay extra to eat less in a to-go bin. i guess imma just have to bring in my tupperwears and load up.

also, finals snack sucked this year. what the hell was up with that.
lame

this is ridiculous. we pay 10 grand to eat at collins which is broke anyways…f*ck if i’m going to pay extra to eat less in a to-go bin. i guess imma just have to bring in my tupperwears and load up.

also, finals snack sucked this year. what the hell was up with that.
Jas

Watch someone make big bucks selling plastic reusable microwavable containers imported from china outside the dining halls.

The boxes from frary can barely fit a f**king burger anyway.
Jas

Watch someone make big bucks selling plastic reusable microwavable containers imported from china outside the dining halls.

The boxes from frary can barely fit a f**king burger anyway.

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