TNC “Will Be Back” In Different Form

To the shock of most, CMC’s Dean of Students Office “indefinitely” canceled Thursday Night Club on the eve of Spring Break two weeks ago, begging the question of how the future student nightlife of the college will take shape. Officials Jim Nauls, Mary Spellman and Jefferson Huang of DOS were keen to quell worries in interviews with the Forum, promising the event’s return as soon as next week. But DOS and ASCMC agree the event will not return in its traditional form.

Multiple parties share responsibility in the policy shift. Fundamentally, students – and uninvited visitors – have been making a mess of the college’s dorms and quads. Out of $20,000 in damages quoted by Story House over the past year, 65% has been the byproduct of TNCs. “It doesn’t make sense for us to continue this pattern,” Dean of Students Mary Spellman said. “We’re not opposed to the event, but things need to be managed differently.”

Spellman added: “There’s reasonable damage and there’s throwing a chair at a window.”

Jim Nauls, Assistant Dean of Students, expressed strong feelings that the event had grown out of control. “Unless we do something about this, something drastic could happen,” Nauls lamented. “This kid that got his face beat in last week… it could have been a lot worse. It was a product of people not paying attention.”

The problem is twofold. Though big parties are often apt to cause damage, TNCs are usually hosted in spaces unsuitable for big parties. The result is overcrowding, impossible enforcement, and spillage into a secondary party outside the dorm. “The people congregating outside are just going to have to stay at home,” Nauls said.

Thursday Night Club, or TNC, was established only four years ago, originally as a small party revolving around a keg.

After informing them of TNC’s immediate suspension, DOS approached the new ASCMC administration with broad demands. In order to continue, the parties must be more tightly controlled, guests must be more strictly monitored, and damages that persist must actually be paid for.

Indeed, one major issue for the Dean of Students has been the debt ASCMC has accrued. Each year for the past four years, the student government has built up a massive Story House bill, putting off receipts until the end of their term – and often dumping them onto the next government, which is forced to pay a bill they don’t fully understand. The new ASCMC administration cannot then appeal the damage receipts, as most of them are from parties months past. “There’s also the issue of whether there’s downward pressure to meet your damages when you’re not going to pay for it – you’re just going to dump it,” said Vice President for Student Affairs Jefferson Huang. “Hansell inherited a bill; Isayas inherited one; Tammy is now inheriting one. It’s everyone’s problem.”

Story House has grown frustrated with the system, and has pushed the Dean of Students Office to press ASCMC on payments on an immediate basis.

“The expectation has been changed, and we’ll meet them on their expectations,” ASCMC Vice President Chris Jones said. “In the very least, we’re meeting the level that’s been met by past administrations. And if they change expectations, they should expect some adjustment time.”

Currently, the new ASCMC administration has been given a bill of $13,000 in damages for TNC parties.

“It’s not just because there’s a large debt owed. That in and of itself wouldn’t be enough for us to cancel [TNC],” Spellman added. “It’s just that, every week, more and more, there’s damage. And there’s a building attitude of, when the party ends, people can just leave garbage sitting. It’s getting worse.”

Jones and ASCMC President Tammy Phan would not rule out contesting portions of the $13,000 bill. But they were more concerned with taking preventative measures throughout their term, which started this week.

“The real problem is not the fact that the bills haven’t been paid,” Phan noted. “It’s the fact that we, as students, have caused thousands of dollars in damage over the course of a year. It’s that they have to be paid in the first place.”

Phan said, “We’re leaning towards any effort that will allow us to have TNCs, period.”

Jones went on to push back against the method of charging from Story House. “We’ve been mis-assigned charges very frequently,” he said. “It’s checking your rental car before you take it out of the lot. A lot of this is not ours.

Alexander Reichert, Dorm Activities Chair, has drafted a proposal that DOS has accepted as adequate. In response, DOS has lifted the ban on the assumption that his plan will succeed. But the implication is that ASCMC now holds full responsibility of what happens, and that the future of Thursday parties rests on their ability to curtail assault and vandalism.

“The first step is to increase security,” said Reichert. “The second step is to be more stringent on who we allow into our parties.” Reichert noted that TNCs would be smaller, and strictly CMC-only, with a possibility of a guest list for friends of CMCers from the other four colleges. But one goal is to avoid “Pitzer students coming in, and drinking the alcohol they never paid for,” he said. “We are open to making these 5C parties, but the other colleges will have to contribute.”

All TNCs will now card at the door for CMC identification, and will be fenced off. “Fencing sets a precedent,” Reichert added. “These parties can’t just be open and sprawling.” ASCMC will also be hiring security other than Campus Security, which has proven ineffective.

While Nauls, Spellman and Huang were originally in disagreement over whether to truly cancel Thursday Night Club for good, they have agreed to work towards a revised version of the event – knowing that parties will occur every Thursday, anyway.

“We were ready to actually pull the plug on TNCs to say stop,” said Huang. “It really came to a boil for us shortly before the ASCMC elections. I told Jim I thought doing that now would enter us into the issue of candidates, so we waited until after the elections were over.”

Michael Wilner

Michael was editor-in-chief of the Forum. A native New Yorker, Michael graduated in 2011 majoring in philosophy, politics and economics. He has worked with international media outlets and has published on the financial crisis, the Arab Spring, and American political campaigns.

Politics As Usual

The real reason for shutting down TNCs isn’t the accrual of dorm damages. If they were all paid immediately the problem wouldn’t just disappear. DOS and ASCMC always carry debts for each other. I think the real reason is liability on the school if anything should happen to a student at a party.

The real reason Dean Huang waited until after elections isn’t because it would “enter us into the issue of candidates.” What does that even mean? That he didn’t want make it a campaign issue, or that he didn’t want people to blame the guy he really wanted to win who was also in charge of TNCs at the time? Who knew Dean Huang was so political?

The real reason Dean of Students waited until the new ASCMC administration and new RAs took over is because they’re easier to push around than the guys who were in office for the whole year prior.

Not only is DOS setting a tone for the coming year (“we’ll show you who’s in charge”), but they’re making sure they can attach a credible threat to their demands on ASCMC in the future. It’s like when a teacher is extra strict on the first few days of school.
Politics As Usual

The real reason for shutting down TNCs isn’t the accrual of dorm damages. If they were all paid immediately the problem wouldn’t just disappear. DOS and ASCMC always carry debts for each other. I think the real reason is liability on the school if anything should happen to a student at a party.

The real reason Dean Huang waited until after elections isn’t because it would “enter us into the issue of candidates.” What does that even mean? That he didn’t want make it a campaign issue, or that he didn’t want people to blame the guy he really wanted to win who was also in charge of TNCs at the time? Who knew Dean Huang was so political?

The real reason Dean of Students waited until the new ASCMC administration and new RAs took over is because they’re easier to push around than the guys who were in office for the whole year prior.

Not only is DOS setting a tone for the coming year (“we’ll show you who’s in charge”), but they’re making sure they can attach a credible threat to their demands on ASCMC in the future. It’s like when a teacher is extra strict on the first few days of school.
Josh

I think the damages are mostly used as an excuse to show that TNCs are “out of control.” The problem isn’t the damage itself, but what the damage is indicative of.

The dorm damages are expensive, but what can be done about that? (And how expensive is $13,000 for a whole year? Less than $13 per student.) How can ASCMC get dorm presidents or others to clean up after a TNC at 1 AM before someone else takes care of it at 8 AM?

Another issue is that Story House overcharges for cleanup. They bill for three hours for something that takes one hour to clean up because of labor rules and because they can.

Personally I don’t feel so bad about leaving a bit of a mess at a party if I know that it will be cleaned up the next day by someone who is paid for their work, especially when they are charging us more than the real cost. It’s not the most efficient system but I don’t see why that would be the huge issue.

Seth

“Personally I don’t feel so bad about leaving a bit of a mess at a party if I know that it will be cleaned up the next day by someone who is paid for their work, especially when they are charging us more than the real cost. It’s not the most efficient system but I don’t see why that would be the huge issue.”

I see this way of thinking as the biggest threat to the preservation of the social culture we love. This entitled, silver spoon in mouth thought process is what we need to combat on our campus.

How much effort does it take for the twenty people playing beer pong in a lounge to clean up after themselves? Shouldn’t Dorm presidents that register themselves as responsible for a party actually step up and take responsibility for keeping it safe and secure? Isn’t it the responsibility of the individuals throwing the party to prevent, as best they can, extensive damage to our facilities?

However, there is only so much a few people can do. We need to become more selfless as a student body. Going out of the way to help clean up the leftover mess from a great night is something we are all capable of, and it would be great if we could step up as a school to meet his challenge.

Ultimately the money ASCMC is saving by not having to pay exorbitant clean up fees and dorm damage is money that goes back to making life for CMC students better on the whole. Why wouldn’t we want that?

Finally, if we can prove to the administration that we are not the wasteful, illogical, and out of control college students that the product of TNC has painted us to be, we will be allowed to do so much more with social events on campus.

In essence, the gauntlet has been laid down. Will we respond accordingly?

Josh

My point, in addition to the idea that the money isn’t the real reason behind all this, is that when we are paying for something, it’s not just an “entitlement.”

An entitlement would be a guarantee that Story House will clean up after us because it’s our right to have them do so. In this case, it’s not our right, but it happens and we pay for it with our student fees.

I agree that it’s not the best situation and needs to be fixed, but it doesn’t cause me moral outrage like it does some people.

Josh

I think the damages are mostly used as an excuse to show that TNCs are “out of control.” The problem isn’t the damage itself, but what the damage is indicative of.

The dorm damages are expensive, but what can be done about that? (And how expensive is $13,000 for a whole year? Less than $13 per student.) How can ASCMC get dorm presidents or others to clean up after a TNC at 1 AM before someone else takes care of it at 8 AM?

Another issue is that Story House overcharges for cleanup. They bill for three hours for something that takes one hour to clean up because of labor rules and because they can.

Personally I don’t feel so bad about leaving a bit of a mess at a party if I know that it will be cleaned up the next day by someone who is paid for their work, especially when they are charging us more than the real cost. It’s not the most efficient system but I don’t see why that would be the huge issue.

Seth

“Personally I don’t feel so bad about leaving a bit of a mess at a party if I know that it will be cleaned up the next day by someone who is paid for their work, especially when they are charging us more than the real cost. It’s not the most efficient system but I don’t see why that would be the huge issue.”

I see this way of thinking as the biggest threat to the preservation of the social culture we love. This entitled, silver spoon in mouth thought process is what we need to combat on our campus.

How much effort does it take for the twenty people playing beer pong in a lounge to clean up after themselves? Shouldn’t Dorm presidents that register themselves as responsible for a party actually step up and take responsibility for keeping it safe and secure? Isn’t it the responsibility of the individuals throwing the party to prevent, as best they can, extensive damage to our facilities?

However, there is only so much a few people can do. We need to become more selfless as a student body. Going out of the way to help clean up the leftover mess from a great night is something we are all capable of, and it would be great if we could step up as a school to meet his challenge.

Ultimately the money ASCMC is saving by not having to pay exorbitant clean up fees and dorm damage is money that goes back to making life for CMC students better on the whole. Why wouldn’t we want that?

Finally, if we can prove to the administration that we are not the wasteful, illogical, and out of control college students that the product of TNC has painted us to be, we will be allowed to do so much more with social events on campus.

In essence, the gauntlet has been laid down. Will we respond accordingly?

Josh

My point, in addition to the idea that the money isn’t the real reason behind all this, is that when we are paying for something, it’s not just an “entitlement.”

An entitlement would be a guarantee that Story House will clean up after us because it’s our right to have them do so. In this case, it’s not our right, but it happens and we pay for it with our student fees.

I agree that it’s not the best situation and needs to be fixed, but it doesn’t cause me moral outrage like it does some people.

Econ thinking

I think our dear Econ friend Steve Levitt puts it best.

“For the first four weeks, the economists simply kept track of the number of parents who came late; there were, on average, eight late pickups per week per day-care center. In the fifth week, the fine was enacted. it was announced that any parent arriving more than ten minutes late would pay $3 per child for each incident. The fee would be added to the parents’ monthly bill, which was roughly $380.

After the fine was enacted, the number of late pickups promptly went … up. Before long there were twenty late pickups per week, more than double the original average.”

How does this relate? After a game of Beer Pong, or pulling down those crappy window shades during TNC, we can either do nothing, or fix it. We will do either based on which has higher incentives. The moms tried to get to the school on time because they knew it was a hassle for the teacher to stay late. I spent some time with a buddy at Whittier college, and after a game of BP we cleaned it up, well because our incentive was we didn’t want the place dirty all week. What are CMCer’s incentives to clean up that same game? The cost of paying someone to clean it up. If we do not clean it ourselves, it means we simply do not value our opportunity cost at the price story house charges.
Story House has been criticized for over charging. It’s not that they’re asking for the compensation of the time spent cleaning, they’re also pricing their services based on a cost that will deter you from making them charge you.

Bauer Center

That’s one theory, but I really doubt Story House is thinking that hard about what to charge based on economic theory. Especially when 99% of students at CMC have no idea what the damages actually cost on a regular basis until an article like this comes out.
piggy

the issue is that so many CMCers (5Cers technically) are pigs and don’t clean up for themselves in public places. And then there is the free rider effect. A lot of people don’t clean up and who is going to clean up after them?

I think we should do away with housekeeping altogether and whoever hosts a TNC should hire a maid service, or even volunteer 5Cers, or something. Looking at a TNC dorm on a friday morning is depressing.

hmmmm

Agreed. It’s terrible to see the condition of a dorm, such as Claremont Hall, after the pigs of the 5cs have had their ways with it. (Vomit that had to be cleaned out of the carpet, anyone?)

Econ thinking

I think our dear Econ friend Steve Levitt puts it best.

“For the first four weeks, the economists simply kept track of the number of parents who came late; there were, on average, eight late pickups per week per day-care center. In the fifth week, the fine was enacted. it was announced that any parent arriving more than ten minutes late would pay $3 per child for each incident. The fee would be added to the parents’ monthly bill, which was roughly $380.

After the fine was enacted, the number of late pickups promptly went … up. Before long there were twenty late pickups per week, more than double the original average.”

How does this relate? After a game of Beer Pong, or pulling down those crappy window shades during TNC, we can either do nothing, or fix it. We will do either based on which has higher incentives. The moms tried to get to the school on time because they knew it was a hassle for the teacher to stay late. I spent some time with a buddy at Whittier college, and after a game of BP we cleaned it up, well because our incentive was we didn’t want the place dirty all week. What are CMCer’s incentives to clean up that same game? The cost of paying someone to clean it up. If we do not clean it ourselves, it means we simply do not value our opportunity cost at the price story house charges.
Story House has been criticized for over charging. It’s not that they’re asking for the compensation of the time spent cleaning, they’re also pricing their services based on a cost that will deter you from making them charge you.

Bauer Center

That’s one theory, but I really doubt Story House is thinking that hard about what to charge based on economic theory. Especially when 99% of students at CMC have no idea what the damages actually cost on a regular basis until an article like this comes out.
piggy

the issue is that so many CMCers (5Cers technically) are pigs and don’t clean up for themselves in public places. And then there is the free rider effect. A lot of people don’t clean up and who is going to clean up after them?

I think we should do away with housekeeping altogether and whoever hosts a TNC should hire a maid service, or even volunteer 5Cers, or something. Looking at a TNC dorm on a friday morning is depressing.

hmmmm

Agreed. It’s terrible to see the condition of a dorm, such as Claremont Hall, after the pigs of the 5cs have had their ways with it. (Vomit that had to be cleaned out of the carpet, anyone?)

Grammar Nazi

Cool article but that’s not what “begging the question” means.

Sorry Grammar Nazi

There are actually multiple definitions of to “beg the question”–one of which you clearly learned in PHIL30, which means to assume the truth of the very thing you are trying to prove. The other definition, to raise the question, is less common but still grammatically valid. This is clearly how Michael intended it.

Grammar Nazi

Cool article but that’s not what “begging the question” means.

Sorry Grammar Nazi

There are actually multiple definitions of to “beg the question”–one of which you clearly learned in PHIL30, which means to assume the truth of the very thing you are trying to prove. The other definition, to raise the question, is less common but still grammatically valid. This is clearly how Michael intended it.

http://kburke.org Kevin Burke

This isn’t the whole picture about drinking and academic performance but this was interesting:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/bumc-bdd032310.php

Binge drinking doesn’t affect next-day student test-taking

In a first-of-its kind controlled experiment, researchers from the Boston University School of Public Health (BUSPH) and Brown University have found that surprisingly, binge drinking the night before a test does not impact college students’ test performance – although it can affect their moods, attention and reaction times.

The study, which appears in the April 2010 edition of the journal Addiction, was conducted by Jonathan Howland, professor of community health sciences at BUSPH , and Damaris Rohsenow, research professor at Brown’s Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies.

The study found that intoxication in the evening did not affect students’ next day scores on academic tests requiring long-term memory, or on tests of recently learned material. Binge drinking did, however, slow participants’ attention/reaction times and worsen mood states – impacts that could affect safety-related behaviors, such as driving.

Howland said the research team was surprised by the test-taking results because some prior studies have found that occupational performance was impaired the day after intoxication. But, he explained, “We looked at one particular academic outcome. Test-taking is only one measure of academic success.”

The researchers also noted that binge drinking could affect other types of academic performance, such as essay-writing and problem-solving requiring higher-order cognitive skills.

“We do not conclude… that excessive drinking is not a risk factor for academic problems,” the researchers wrote. “It is possible that a higher alcohol dose would have affected next-day academic test scores. Moreover, test-taking is only one factor in academic success. Study habits, motivation and class attendance also contribute to academic performance; each of these could be affected by intoxication.”

results

Seeing as most students use short term memory for a lot of tests, and since most tests are timed, I think binge drinking drastically affects performance. Read the methods and results, not the headlines.

…The study found that intoxication in the evening did not affect students’ next day scores on academic tests requiring long-term memory, or on tests of recently learned material. Binge drinking did, however, slow participants’ attention/reaction times…..

Notice how it says nothing about unconsolidated working memory.

http://kburke.org Kevin Burke

This isn’t the whole picture about drinking and academic performance but this was interesting:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/bumc-bdd032310.php

Binge drinking doesn’t affect next-day student test-taking

In a first-of-its kind controlled experiment, researchers from the Boston University School of Public Health (BUSPH) and Brown University have found that surprisingly, binge drinking the night before a test does not impact college students’ test performance – although it can affect their moods, attention and reaction times.

The study, which appears in the April 2010 edition of the journal Addiction, was conducted by Jonathan Howland, professor of community health sciences at BUSPH , and Damaris Rohsenow, research professor at Brown’s Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies.

The study found that intoxication in the evening did not affect students’ next day scores on academic tests requiring long-term memory, or on tests of recently learned material. Binge drinking did, however, slow participants’ attention/reaction times and worsen mood states – impacts that could affect safety-related behaviors, such as driving.

Howland said the research team was surprised by the test-taking results because some prior studies have found that occupational performance was impaired the day after intoxication. But, he explained, “We looked at one particular academic outcome. Test-taking is only one measure of academic success.”

The researchers also noted that binge drinking could affect other types of academic performance, such as essay-writing and problem-solving requiring higher-order cognitive skills.

“We do not conclude… that excessive drinking is not a risk factor for academic problems,” the researchers wrote. “It is possible that a higher alcohol dose would have affected next-day academic test scores. Moreover, test-taking is only one factor in academic success. Study habits, motivation and class attendance also contribute to academic performance; each of these could be affected by intoxication.”

results

Seeing as most students use short term memory for a lot of tests, and since most tests are timed, I think binge drinking drastically affects performance. Read the methods and results, not the headlines.

…The study found that intoxication in the evening did not affect students’ next day scores on academic tests requiring long-term memory, or on tests of recently learned material. Binge drinking did, however, slow participants’ attention/reaction times…..

Notice how it says nothing about unconsolidated working memory.

Shamil

What role should the new RAs be playing in this TNCs/parties in general being out of hand issue? How do we ensure that students at CMC are holding each other accountable?

Ugh

none

Shamil

What role should the new RAs be playing in this TNCs/parties in general being out of hand issue? How do we ensure that students at CMC are holding each other accountable?

Ugh

none

Young Man

Look at it this way.

If all of this goes to hell, and several freshman get alcohol poisoning and die, finally making us a dry campus, there would be a bright side: organized crime.

Hear me out.

Wouldn’t you want to see what a school full of econ majors and schmoozers would do with Prohibition?

You know you do.

Sean McQueen

I’d rather see what a school full of econ majors could do if they didn’t have to worry about shenanigans like that. Also the only reason someone would profit would be if someone else was getting caught (how else would the value of a beer increase?) That sucks.

Young Man

Look at it this way.

If all of this goes to hell, and several freshman get alcohol poisoning and die, finally making us a dry campus, there would be a bright side: organized crime.

Hear me out.

Wouldn’t you want to see what a school full of econ majors and schmoozers would do with Prohibition?

You know you do.

Sean McQueen

I’d rather see what a school full of econ majors could do if they didn’t have to worry about shenanigans like that. Also the only reason someone would profit would be if someone else was getting caught (how else would the value of a beer increase?) That sucks.

foolishness

First TNC, now Thesis Fountain Party. Why is so much being done to alienate so many potential donors? What terrible timing–just when the final push should be happening to get money from seniors, the administration decides to end another tradition?
How excited do you think seniors will be to donate now, especially since DoS doesn’t care about their interests?

Honestly, we are ending it because some kids and professors got wet? If you walk by the fountain, and get soaked it’s your own fault. Take a detour. There are plenty. Let seniors have one day to celebrate the ending of the longest paper that most people will ever write in their life. TNC’s may have been getting out of control, but this is completely different. Let’s pick our battles wisely, DoS.

A senior

You’d think if you were a professor, your Ph.D. would teach you to take a detour one day of the semester. Or that underclassmen trying to stay dry would avoid the fountain.

As much as I wanted to get my word on the Senior Mug, I’m going to pass on donating.
Mo’ $ Mo’ Problems

TNC is one thing. Our fountain party is another. (When was the last time the fountain party was an alcohol and/orlegal threat for DOS? Is a professor going to sue the senior class or CMC?)

If you have already pledged a gift to CMC you CAN cancel (until the end of the fiscal year, June 2010).

Call Annual Giving at (800) Give-2-CMC (800-448-3226) or e-mail at development@cmc.edu or find any senior gift officer ASAP. Tell them you want to remain on the calling list but that you will not be giving.

The amount of money graduating seniors give isn’t the issue. The school (and our rankings) need our participation.

Hmm

Go eff yourselves, DoS. There’s no way you’re stopping this. You’re just going to be screwing yourselves.

Spellman is already turning out to be the worst thing to happen to this campus.

foolishness

First TNC, now Thesis Fountain Party. Why is so much being done to alienate so many potential donors? What terrible timing–just when the final push should be happening to get money from seniors, the administration decides to end another tradition?
How excited do you think seniors will be to donate now, especially since DoS doesn’t care about their interests?

Honestly, we are ending it because some kids and professors got wet? If you walk by the fountain, and get soaked it’s your own fault. Take a detour. There are plenty. Let seniors have one day to celebrate the ending of the longest paper that most people will ever write in their life. TNC’s may have been getting out of control, but this is completely different. Let’s pick our battles wisely, DoS.

A senior

You’d think if you were a professor, your Ph.D. would teach you to take a detour one day of the semester. Or that underclassmen trying to stay dry would avoid the fountain.

As much as I wanted to get my word on the Senior Mug, I’m going to pass on donating.
Mo’ $ Mo’ Problems

TNC is one thing. Our fountain party is another. (When was the last time the fountain party was an alcohol and/orlegal threat for DOS? Is a professor going to sue the senior class or CMC?)

If you have already pledged a gift to CMC you CAN cancel (until the end of the fiscal year, June 2010).

Call Annual Giving at (800) Give-2-CMC (800-448-3226) or e-mail at development@cmc.edu or find any senior gift officer ASAP. Tell them you want to remain on the calling list but that you will not be giving.

The amount of money graduating seniors give isn’t the issue. The school (and our rankings) need our participation.

Hmm

Go eff yourselves, DoS. There’s no way you’re stopping this. You’re just going to be screwing yourselves.

Spellman is already turning out to be the worst thing to happen to this campus.

goodness gracious

I agree with above comment
goodness gracious

I agree with above comment
Alum

Fact Check: TNC has been around longer than 4 years.
Alum

Fact Check: TNC has been around longer than 4 years.
Pingback: After Fountain Scare, DOS Walks Thin Line « The Forum
Alumnus

TNC definitely did not start 4 years ago. It existed at least as far back as 2004… as I went to one at that time.

It may go back even earlier, not sure who said it started 4 years ago.
Alumnus

TNC definitely did not start 4 years ago. It existed at least as far back as 2004… as I went to one at that time.

It may go back even earlier, not sure who said it started 4 years ago.
Anon4now

How thougthtless to feel no sympathy for the housekeeping staff who have to clean up after these parties. Yes, they are paid for their work but they are paid to maintain a building, not to have to clean up a disgusting, sticky mess left by selfish students who think that because someone is paid it is okay to make that person’s job more difficult. Your actions have consequences and when those consequences are something you can walk away from and leave for others to clean up, well that is egocentric behavior I would expect of a toddler, not a college student. Please grow up and develop some empathy. If you must trash a place to have your good time, at least have the decency to clean up after yourself.

And how short-sighted to ‘punish’ your own school by revoking a senior gift. A senior gift is a legacy that often benefits future classes. The class of 2010 will be remembered as cheap and selfish. I don’t go to CMC and I stumbled on this site by accident but the reputation of CMC has gone down by several notches after reading this. I’ll think twice about a CMC grad as a prospective employee in the future.

Well…

It’s nice to know that there are people out there who feel qualified to render judgment on situations they know nothing about.
anon4eva

and I’ll think twice about working for a company whose boss makes decisions based on random internet musings and surfs random forums anonymously during the work day. I assume you’re on Wall Street?
Get out of our house

“Cheap and selfish?”

Selfish? The students took time and effort to protest an administrative decision. The students evidenced interest in policy, and they fought to preserve a tradition – not just for themselves, but for future years.

Cheap? Donating is a choice, albeit generally a good one, but a graduate is free to choose whether to support her alma mater. That choice, in fact, probably shouldn’t be offered on blind faith. Giving your money to someone making bad decisions probably isn’t a good one. Yes, the Class of 2010 will owe a great deal to their college, but before they agree to support it going into the future, it’s fair for them to ask whether it will still be their college.

You can disagree on their position – that maybe this isn’t a serious issue enough to withhold funds – but since you admit you have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re on your own trying to win that argument against current and former Stags and Athenas.

Anon4now

How thougthtless to feel no sympathy for the housekeeping staff who have to clean up after these parties. Yes, they are paid for their work but they are paid to maintain a building, not to have to clean up a disgusting, sticky mess left by selfish students who think that because someone is paid it is okay to make that person’s job more difficult. Your actions have consequences and when those consequences are something you can walk away from and leave for others to clean up, well that is egocentric behavior I would expect of a toddler, not a college student. Please grow up and develop some empathy. If you must trash a place to have your good time, at least have the decency to clean up after yourself.

And how short-sighted to ‘punish’ your own school by revoking a senior gift. A senior gift is a legacy that often benefits future classes. The class of 2010 will be remembered as cheap and selfish. I don’t go to CMC and I stumbled on this site by accident but the reputation of CMC has gone down by several notches after reading this. I’ll think twice about a CMC grad as a prospective employee in the future.

Well…

It’s nice to know that there are people out there who feel qualified to render judgment on situations they know nothing about.
anon4eva

and I’ll think twice about working for a company whose boss makes decisions based on random internet musings and surfs random forums anonymously during the work day. I assume you’re on Wall Street?
Get out of our house

“Cheap and selfish?”

Selfish? The students took time and effort to protest an administrative decision. The students evidenced interest in policy, and they fought to preserve a tradition – not just for themselves, but for future years.

Cheap? Donating is a choice, albeit generally a good one, but a graduate is free to choose whether to support her alma mater. That choice, in fact, probably shouldn’t be offered on blind faith. Giving your money to someone making bad decisions probably isn’t a good one. Yes, the Class of 2010 will owe a great deal to their college, but before they agree to support it going into the future, it’s fair for them to ask whether it will still be their college.

You can disagree on their position – that maybe this isn’t a serious issue enough to withhold funds – but since you admit you have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re on your own trying to win that argument against current and former Stags and Athenas.

Agree

I completely agree with Anon4now. I am suprise by the attitudes of some of these students. I can’t believe that their parents actually raised them to be selfish and irresponsible. DOS and ASCMC should have the responsibility of clean up/damages, etc fall on either the RA or the ‘host’ of the party.
Agree

I completely agree with Anon4now. I am suprise by the attitudes of some of these students. I can’t believe that their parents actually raised them to be selfish and irresponsible. DOS and ASCMC should have the responsibility of clean up/damages, etc fall on either the RA or the ‘host’ of the party.
Pingback: Love Thy Neighbors « The Forum

Photos
Videos
Activity
Tweets

Follow @cmcforum

TNC “Will Be Back” In Different Form

More posts by Michael Wilner »

Michael Wilner