Senior CMC Admissions Administrator Falsely Reported SAT Scores

By: Rachel Brody | Jan 30, 2012 | 2405 Views News |

On Monday morning, President Pamela Gann of Claremont McKenna College announced via email to members of the CMC community that a senior administrator at the Office of Admission had been reporting inaccurate SAT statistics since 2005.

Upon receiving reports of misreported SAT scores for the fall 2011 entering class, President Gann and the Office of Institutional Research conducted a further investigation into the reporting practices of the Office of Admission, which revealed varied inaccuracies in the reporting of SAT scores for past classes. Statistics for the fall 2010 class were the most recent to be reported publicly, and the investigation revealed the inflation of a combined median score of 1,400 to 1,410.

In her email, President Gann noted that, “while overall statistics were manipulated, we do not have reason to believe any student’s individual score was altered.”

The Forum has reproduced President Gann’s email below. We welcome and encourage your reactions to the news. Please check back with the Forum as it continues its coverage of the incident and as new information comes to light.

January 30, 2012

Members of the Claremont McKenna College Community,

I am writing to inform you about an important matter related to the accuracy of the Office of Admission’s reporting of admission data.

Earlier this month, I received information from within the College that the Office of Admission had reported inaccurate SAT statistics for the fall 2011 entering class. Upon receiving this information, I asked Jerome Garris, Vice President and Dean Emeritus, to conduct a review of this issue in coordination with the Office of Institutional Research. During Dean Garris’ review of this matter, a senior administrator in the Office of Admission disclosed that he had been solely responsible for falsely reporting SAT statistics since 2005.

Although the degree of inaccuracies varied over time, we understand that the reported critical reading and/or math SAT scores were generally inflated by an average of 10-20 points each. For the fall 2010 class, which is the most recent year that has been reported generally to the public, the individual reported a combined median of 1,410 when the actual should have been 1,400, and reported a 75th percentile score of 1,510 when the actual should have been 1,480. It is also important to note that, while overall statistics were manipulated, we do not have reason to believe any student’s individual score was altered. 

As an institution of higher education with a deep and consistent commitment to the integrity of all our academic activities, and particularly our reporting of institutional data, we take this situation very seriously.  I have therefore initiated a series of actions to respond to this matter. First, the individual has taken full responsibility and has resigned his position from the College effective immediately. At this time, we have no reason to believe that other individuals were involved. If we learn otherwise, we will take prompt and appropriate action.

Second, we have engaged outside legal counsel from O’Melveny & Myers to complete an independent review of our admission-related data processes. In addition, we are contacting and cooperating with external groups that may have received erroneous information to provide corrected data. Finally, we are reviewing our internal data gathering and reporting processes and will strengthen them to ensure that this type of conduct will not occur in the future.

While I am sorry to report this to you, I remain deeply committed to ensuring that Claremont McKenna will respond to this matter in a manner that is accurate, honest, and that will reflect the longstanding integrity of our great college.

Sincerely,
Pamela B. Gann, President

 

UPDATES, Monday, January 30

A comparison of the Office of Admission’s current webpage titled “Admission Staff Members” and the same page’s Google cache as of 7:42 PM on Saturday, January 28 reveals that the biography and contact information for Vice President and Dean of Admission and Financial Aid Richard “Dick” Vos has been removed. The change can be seen in the screenshots pictured below.

Google Cache from January 28 (left) and current webpage from January 30 (right)

Additional reporting by Aseem Chipalkatti

UPDATES, Wednesday, February 1

ASCMC released a statement on Tuesday afternoon to the Associated Press, which is reproduced below.

“CMC students are upset by this dishonesty and are disheartened that it may impact the reputation of Claremont McKenna. We are disappointed that an administrator exaggerated credentials that need no exaggeration. However, his actions do not reflect the strength of our community, the excellence of our education, or the caliber of our people. The CMC we know values integrity in its students and enables them to grow, thrive, and prepare for lives of ethical leadership.”

About the Author

Rachel Brody hails from Westchester County, New York, but has since warmed up to Claremont's sunny California days. She is majoring in International Relations and French and will graduate from CMC this coming May.

  • This is big news…

    Shouldn’t The Forum be doing some research on this?  Even a quick glance at the Admissions directory reveals who resigned…

    • Anonymous

      Actually all of the AOs remain on the directory…

      • This is big news…

        Yes, all of the AOs do, but the VP does not.

    • Anonymous

      look at how long each of them has been there. 2005? Not many have been with the office that long..

    • Harry

      we need to plan rebuttal cheers for the basketball game quickly. 

  • alum

    Dean Vos is listed if you look at the Google cache of the admission directory. Today, he is no longer listed.

  • Charles C. Johnson

    Next up: students caught lying about their weight. 

    But seriously, this is messed up that they waited to make this announcement after students had applied to CMC. Fraudulent much? 

    If the college cared so much about its SAT scores, it would discontinue its affirmative action and legacy programs. 

    • Charles C. Johnson

      The Claremont Independent has investigated for years that both groups have lower SAT scores than the general CMC student.

      • Anonymous

        I think it’s funny that you STILL think that anyone at CMC cares about your opinion, Charles… The Claremont Independent = you and only you

        • Charles C. Johnson

          Actually, four CI writers and editors won $10,000 journalism prizes apiece. I’ve been published in the L.A. Times and The Wall Street Journal and written a book four months after graduating. What have you done with your life?  

        • lulz
        • Class of ’12

          Charles Johnson everybody, let’s give the biggest douche who ever went to CMC a big round of applause. 
          Even after you graduate you still find a way to be a dick.  None of your accolades will ever change the fact that you’re a jerk.
          Go away.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

          I resent that. I will one day be knighted. And get to meet Pippa.

        • Guest

           Treason! (knighted)

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

          I pity you, peasant.

      • C4

        This sounds like an attempt to shift the blame. Lets call it like it is…F-R-A-U-D

  • CMCer

    Yeah, it does seem to have been Dean Vos; all references in the staff bio and directory pages have been removed. Sad. 

  • C4

    Does this mean that US News will adjust where CMC’s ranking? 

  • C4

    I guess CMC alums should make their donation checks out to the law firm that CMC has retained as a result of this fiasco. With billing rates in the $400-$1200 per hour range, CMC could easily rack up a couple million in legal fees when it is all said and done. Unfortunate…

  • C4

    If such a senior level official was the perpetrator of this fraud, CMC might make national news with this one. 

    • Go Wolfpack

      It was on the front page of the New York Times.

  • C4

    Today is not a good day for students to have an informal chat with President Gann. She must be in full damage control mode today. The same is probably true about the senior legal counsel at CMC. Yikes!!

  • C4

    Any current CMC student who aspires to a career in journalism should be working the heck out of this story. I’d be on the phone with the administration, faculty, alumni and students. Although this is unfortunate, this debacle is the perfect opportunity for an enterprising student to put themselves on the regional, state, and national media map. THIS IS A BIG DEAL!!

  • C4
  • Anonymous

    How independent do you think a review from O’Melveny & Myers will be? 

    That’s the firm that the college retains for legal matters, like the scandal surrounding the Jonathan Petropoulos and the Nazi art dealers. 

    Here are just a few alumni who have worked there.Christine Elaine Cwiertny (’90)
    Amber Taylor (’02)
    Bernie Barmann (’88)
    Diana L. Walker, of O’Melveny & Myers, is listed as a board member on the Keck Graduate Institute website.In 1988, O’Melveny & Myers represented none other than Kohlberg Kravis & Roberts’ $24.8 billion buyout of RJR Nabisco. KKR is a private equity firm founded by Claremont McKenna alums, Henry Kravis and George R. Roberts.

    • Guest

      One of the most prestigious law firms in the world won’t be able to conduct a fair investigation because a few CMC alumni have worked there? Huh? 

      Also, that Petropoulos scandal was totally bogus. It’s not like he was trying to help Nazis or something.

      I would be surprised, however, if this scandal doesn’t become national news.

  • Anonymous

    Gann needs to resign. Our college deserves better. 

  • http://twitter.com/alexandroscc Alexandros Couclelis

    I would like to know more as the investigation proceeds.. cmcforum I am counting on you!

  • Anonymous

    The true villain here is our culture’s unblinking fealty to the US News and World Report rankings, which spur even the best and most honorable colleges to do stupid and dishonest things.  Providing a quality college education is not a competition.  If she wants to restore credibility to CMC, PamGann should: (1) Take responsibility for and apologize for the cheating and embarrassment that occurred on her watch; (2) repudiate the college ranking system; and (3) state that, effective immediately, CMC will join Reed College, St. John’s College, and the other courageous institutions that have taken the high road by refusing to participate in the annual college rankings circus.

  • Yayyy

    Maybe this scandal will put CMC in the national spotlight so that we finally can stop reassuring people that we aren’t going to a community college in East LA!!

    • Philosoraptor

      *reassuring ourselves

  • Philosoraptor

    A serious question: is anyone really surprised? I, for one, look around CMC and wonder where all of the huge SAT scores on our campus are. Certainly not to be found in the ruling majority “running” TNC or scoring huge points for that sick-nasty DIII Stagthena Athletics Department. The real answer is, they aren’t there.
    I’m actually shocked that the numbers-fudging wasn’t admitted to be greater than reported (thus far). CMC is, in my opinion, a rankings machine that will stop at nothing to climb the ladder–be it turning down a student that has attended 4 classes in a subject they are truly interested in because it would put another class over that magic number (20 or less), lying about SAT scores and percentiles, and sending high-level administrators on multi-week international recruiting sprees to bolster their already-altered numbers.
    Color me bitter, but the CMC experience isn’t all that it’s advertised to be (and damn, they’re good at advertising), and I would have never discovered or selected it if it weren’t for its place on some of those lists that I’ve since learned to disregard.
    Lastly, I have no doubt that some CMC mega-bro will comment about how great it is, how smart he and his team are, and how many brews he crushed the other night before nailing the same girl that all three of his “suitemates” already got head from this semester. And then he’ll get 100+ likes. Such is the system.

    • CMCer

      Your misconstrued perception of the academic ability of students based on their nightlife behavior is a clear reflection of how little you understand this school.  I am neither an athlete nor a “mega-bro” you so astutely stereotyped but I am offended by your generalization of the makeup of our student body.  

      There is no question our school has acted in a way that is motivated by the pressure to rise in the rankings.  However, making the leap that these misrepresented SAT scores coincide with the beer-drinking misogynistic way you’ve described a CMCer who couldn’t have possibly scored a 1500 on math and reading is ridiculous.  The same students you see at TNC you see working for prestigious institutes on campus and getting incredible internships that are landing them successful jobs right out of college.

      Sorry your CMC experience hasn’t been all you thought it to be, but on behalf of the other 99% of us who love it here, congrats on your acceptance to Pomona. 

      • Gee

        True, many of these students are the ones who go on to get the glittering jobs right out of college…  because on the whole, society’s a sucker for athletes, bros, and whatever the female counterpart is. If you’re clever to boot, you can go really far. In response to Yayyy, no, I am not surprised about what happened; since coming to CMC I’ve been astounded at how often “copying” or “fudging data” is considered acceptable. Apparently this mentality is not limited to students.

        • don’t h8 me cuz u aint me

          BLAME SOCIETY!!!!

    • Drunk Bobby

      I’m really smart and so are my teammates, I crushed 73 brews last night (soooo many beers) and then I nailed the same girl all three of my suitemates got head from this semester (while they were watching), I hope this gets 100 likes

      Would a 10 point difference in SAT average really make that big of a difference…

    • student

      You really think a 10-20 point inflation makes that much of a difference? Really? 

      So, you aren’t happy with your college experience. That’s fine. It happens. I’m glad to see that you’re transferring elsewhere, and I sincerely hope that you’re happier at your new college across the street. If you’re unhappy, that’s one thing. But to take your own unhappiness out on CMC students by passing harsh judgments and making broad generalizations is really unfair. I get that you want to believe we’re all budding alcoholics/athletes with less than moderate intelligence, but do realize that you’re misplacing your aggression and stereotyping a mass of people that you don’t know at all.  It’s not anyone’s fault that you chose CMC based on it’s rankings and advertisements rather than basing it on something like a campus visit and seeing first-hand what the atmosphere here is like.

    • Guest

      Transferring to Pomona is just another safeguard the administration uses to weed out the students who really shouldn’t be here anyway. SEE YA

  • The 99%

    Does this actually surprise anyone? We’ve all been wondering for years how our collective SAT scores are so high – how long could we tell ourselves that the smart ones were hiding out in Stark and boosting our school’s rankings? I mean we’ve all been to a TNC, but have we asked ourselves how the cretinous, blacked out students who make those things tick mere feet away from their classrooms could be capable of hauling in 2200+ on SATs. There are a few of those kids, sure. I am not one of them…I got a 1740…I am 99%.

    • Yayyy

      Great minds think alike, 99%! Crazy how similar our posts are. Unfortunately, I am in the 1%… But that’s because I have been accepted to transfer to Pomona next fall. :)

      • wear@it.com

        In the spirit of frankness, I think we should all begin listing our SAT scores and start running the numbers ourselves: 1850. 

        I know this is going to crush a few egos, but we might as well get the ball rolling before national media wipes CMC out. Thing to ponder: if CMC is removed from rankings lists (think of this as the academic equivalent to the USC football scandal that has kept them out of bowl games for the past few years) – how long will the school continue operating? Hold onto that degree everyone, it’s about to become a relic.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I got a 2300. CMC was on my list because I qualified for a scholarship that screened colleges, based in part, on SAT scores. It now turns out that they didn’t even qualify and lied to me and every other student for the last twelve years. I am done giving to this school when it couldn’t even give us the truth. I just took a 40% off sticker (thank you Barnes & Noble) and stuck it on my degree. That’s how cheapened my education has become. 

        • student

          what a coincidence. my scholarship was also based on SAT scores… maybe this SAT falsification business explains why CMC went back on the deal they made with my scholarship selection committee, hahah.

        • Jgood13

          I also got a 2300 on my SAT and a scholarship, but this doesn’t change my opinion of the student body. The people I’ve met here in my classes are incredibly bright. I’ve learned a lot from my professors here and from my peers. Just because the SAT scores are 10 points lower on average than we thought doesn’t change that this is an amazing school filled with intelligent people.

      • anonymous

        Yayyy –

        Cool man, glad to see your moving on to a “better” school. The CMC community will be glad that you are not returning next year. Hope you feel that much better about yourself after your unnecessary, ego-boosting, pointless rant.

        Almost forgot to mention, I got a 2260 on my SAT and chose CMC over Pomona. Best decision I ever made.

        • Plr

          WRONG!

        • Yayyy

          *you’re
          Did you REALLY get a 2260?? Go Sagecocks!

        • anonymous

          CMC has amazing financial aid. There are lots of students here with comparable SAT scores.

      • Guest

        Yayyy–

        Transfer applicants to Pomona College will not receive a decision until June 1 (http://www.pomona.edu/admissions/apply/application-deadlines.aspx). Stop trolling.

    • Philosoraptor

      STOP THE PRESSES STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!! I’m in the 99% too! I’m a student athlete!!!1!!1!11!11!!!!! Through some NCAA loophole, CMC has been able to withhold athletes’ SAT scores for the past 15+ years, which has significantly altered the average, which still had to be manipulated to generate the Yale-hopping worthy ranking we acheived. GO STAGS!

    • CMC Alum

      I’ll put mine out there,and I’m an alum who partied and did collegiate athletics. 2000. And I’m in the “99%”. Wear it.

      • xXsTaGsWaGXx

        You left that one sort of ambiguous, bro. 2000 is significantly below CMC’s reported average. Are you reinforcing our point or trying to prove us wrong? Because you just did the former. Solidarity! Wear it.

        • CMCAlum

          Stop trolling. Though I wouldn’t expect anything else from someone calling themselves something as idiotic as “Stag Swag”. You can strawman all you want, but at least be man enough to say where you stand in rankings. I’m enforcing my point that you can have an exceptional SAT score (2000+) and be in the 99%. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

          But then again, you sound like one of those stupid people who got in for football, AmIRight? They typically have the lowest SAT scores and GPAs during college.

        • xXsTaGsWaGXx

          At least you saw me for what I really am. It takes a certain degree of wit and intelligence to be a satiristic troll, though, and another degree yet to recognize it. You seem to lose me again in the second stanza, where you assume that I am one of the people who is actually at the heart of my targeted satire. Isn’t life grand?

      • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

        Yeah, the 99% poor club. Bada-bing bada-boom. Chump

    • CMCer

      Its kind ridiculous to say you “knew it along along” when we’re talking about an average difference of 10 points. I think you would be surprised at how many of our “cretinous, blacked out students” probably got a higher SAT score than you. In fact your 1740 may put you into the 25% (the bottom 25%) at cmc. I will add that  I would most certainly not have been considered a partier in my own right, but attempting to judge others based on their idiotic actions rather than stopping to think that maybe they just tested well is rather shortsighted (and reeks of jealousy). Despite my better judgement I will assume that you were admitted to CMC for some redeeming quality which is not neccesarily reflected in your SAT scores. Some people just test well (and others paid a lot of cash $$$ for tutors etc).  While the story here is certaily important, and merits a serious discussion, it is stupid comments like this that truly make our college look bad.

      • Anonymous

        It’s not about the scores, it’s about the range. They deliberately cheated to qualify for the range they needed to qualify for a higher U.S. News & World ranking. It’s actually quite clever. 

    • NonSocialOutcast

      These 20-30 points aren’t the difference between you see at CMC and what you would expect based on SAT scores. The difference is that when you got to CMC you thought that you’d make friends, but when we met you and realized how big of a douchebag you were, we decided against it. Don’t blame us because we unwind on Thursday nights. We have jobs/internships at some of the best investment banks, consulting firms, etc. I drink copious amounts of alcohol, got a 2290 on the SAT, and could take a shit on my resume and it would still be better than yours.

    • NonSocialOutcast

      These 20-30 points aren’t the difference between you see at CMC and what you would expect based on SAT scores. The difference is that when you got to CMC you thought that you’d make friends, but when we met you and realized how big of a douchebag you were, we decided against it. Don’t blame us because we unwind on Thursday nights. We have jobs/internships at some of the best investment banks, consulting firms, etc. I drink copious amounts of alcohol, got a 2290 on the SAT, and could take a shit on my resume and it would still be better than yours.

      • guest

        no horse in this game, but surely you realize the irony in calling someone else a douchebag and then listing those “accomplishments.”

  • Philosoraptor

    STOP THE PRESSES STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!! I’m in the 99% too! I’m a student athlete!!!1!!1!11!11!!!!! Through some NCAA loophole, CMC has been able to withhold athletes’ SAT scores for the past 15+ years, which has significantly altered the average, which still had to be manipulated to generate the Yale-hopping worthy ranking we acheived. GO STAGS!

  • we lied?!

    2390 (perfect on the parts that CMC lied about) & I chose CMC over a lot of places. Because I’m awesome like that. 

    • Brother Confused

      Don’t you realize that your peers are not on your level? You are such a saint for contributing your nearly-perfect score to our collective shortfallings in an attempt to raise the bar just a bit.

      • Bro

        Speak for yourself. 2220 here.

    • Cool story, bro

      Looks like if anyone really needed 10 more points it was you

  • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

    I for one, would like to introduce the notion of a class-action lawsuit. All those in favor please PM me on Facebook and tell me the things you like about my hair. Additionally, does anyone have any interest in formally un-instating Tammy Phan as ASCMC President 2010? This is her fault and had I been elected, none of this madness would ever have ensued. 

    • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

      I second this notion.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

        As do I good sir.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

          #teamcharliej

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Banana1

          Wow, he seems so dreamy^^^

    • Philosoraptor

      Mr. Charles C. Johnson, please continue about the class-action lawsuit. We were definitely lied to in more ways than one, and have spent absurd amounts of money for an education that has been touted as “better” than it actually is. Granted, ratings are an imperfect system (to put it lightly), but they are the system that we and many employers use. CMC is about to get the death penalty, a la SMU in the 80s. You are a bastion of sanity amongst a cesspool of blinded fools, please continue to illuminate the emergency exit route!!!

      • Charles C. Johnson

        Just for the record, none of the posts listing me as Charlie C. Johnson are the real McCoy. 

        • Philosoraptor

          Well shoot… Real Charles C. Johnson–you’re the man anyways.

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

          Blasphemy! Alas, he is the imposter! I’m… I’m real. I’m a real boy!

        • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

          MODERATORS! SEIZE HIM

        • fearful starkie

          So YOU’RE the one that did the pooping?

      • I Love CMC

        The education you were told you got isn’t any less that what you actually got. You experienced your own education and thus know first hand if it was good or bad. Your attitude towards the education you received should be no different today that it was yesterday because of 10 measly points on a standardized test. 10 points is equivalent to one or maybe two questions… An inconsequential amount when determining how “smart” a student is. CMC is a great institution that does deserve to be in the top 10 in rankings based on the true caliber of its students, professors and the education it provides, and it is unfortunate that the stupid actions of one man means that we now have to defend CMC and how amazing it really is. 

        For what it’s worth I got over a 2000 on the SAT and was a two sport athlete who subsequently attends one of the top med schools in the country. I think CMC is pretty bomb. 

    • concerned citizen

      Wait a second, wait a second… why hasn’t the REAL issue been brought up?  Why is nobody talking about the fact that Charles Johnson took a dump in the Stark elevator???

  • Guest

    Why did he do it? Is it because he loves CMC so much he wants to see it in the limelight or what? I don’t really know Dean Vos personally

    • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

      I smell gosssssssiiip! Tammy Phan, where you at???

  • PORTSIDE DOES IT BETTER
    • JIM NAULS

      HEY GUYS, JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE WILL BE A TRICYCLE RACE NEXT WEEKEND!!

  • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

    This is an outrage. Ms. Phan is nowhere to be seen. #charliejFTW

    • Anonimous

      Hey Charles, I heard you got fired from the WSJ, true?

      • Charles C. Johnson

        No. It isn’t. I got a book contract and moved back to California to get married this year.  

      • https://twitter.com/#!/CharlieCJohnson Charlie C. Johnson

        I quit you buffoon. Bill O’Reilly made it on his own and so can I. You better buy an umbrella because when I make it to the top there’s no telling what is going to be falling back down on your head.

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  • Etred

    I am putting this behind me … now!

  • alum

    It’s bullshit that he acted alone. I saw him in the shower… shuffling papers in all the wrong ways… I reported it to PAM.

  • national notoriety

    The NYTimes picked it up: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/education/claremont-mckenna-college-says-it-exaggerated-sat-figures.html?_r=1

    looks like someone took C4’s advice

    • Too soon?

      Dean VosDusky!

  • Shamil ’10

    Couple things to add (for what it is worth):
    – This is a big deal and CMC should do everything to do right by her students, faculty, alums, and higher education in general as it handles this going forward.
    – That said, for anyone who thinks that this alone discredits CMC as prestigious, highly intellectual, opportunity-filled college is misguided and naive. Grade inflation or otherwise occurs in every top college in America, that does not make it right. But let’s not get over-excited about what this one senior officer did. If it is Dick Vos, that is deeply saddening, because he has stood for a lot of what is right about the way CMC evaluates applicants for years (for example: not getting too wrapped up in academics as the sole barometer of a student’s potential or calling out applicants with a clearly falsified application regardless of the political ramifications of them being the child of person of great influence). Regardless, this is a sad day for CMC, and an admission office that has made tremendous strides (and has increasingly included stakeholders from across CMC) over the last decades.  
    – For the student(s) claiming Charles Johnson’s (or anyone’s) opinion doesn’t matter, let me politely remind you, as a fellow alum of this GREAT college, that I value the Forum as a place for students, alums, and members of the Claremont Colleges’ community  to comment and share their voice. Unless the Forum has changed its mandate, I request that you stick to the issue(s) at hand and argue the the points raised or state your opinion.
    –  So what is the right thing to do? I think it starts with CMC understanding if there are any systemic issues that need to be addressed or was this truly one of one person act. CMC then needs to apologize for this act of wrong doing. We deserve an explanation. CMC should take on a leadership role in uncovering the facts and upholding the highest standards in future admissions processes. Let this be a teachable moment for colleges across our nation. Summarized: Own up, apologize, set an example by doing the right thing going forward. Since 1946, this college has always stood for highest levels of ethics and fair standards which has earned it an almost flawless and hihgly regarded academic reputation. You don’t lose that with one scandal, but you must darn well do everything to keep that sacred. There will be news, haters, and all the like, but this does not change what CMC is, nor does it change its mission evident by the countless of men and women (current students and alums) who have gone on to provide leadership and know-how to communities around the world. 
    – The Forum should be covering this story and uphold the highest level of professionalism. You have a large audience: prospective students, current students, parents, alums, faculty, academics, and other members of the community–do us proud and frame it fairly and truthfully. Keep it classy!

    I am curious to know what others think? I still overcoming the shock of this news!

  • twitter fiend

    IT’S JUST GONE VIRAL

    New York times just tweeted the news, with a link to the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/education/claremont-mckenna-college-says-it-exaggerated-sat-figures.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto

  • Worth a mention…

    SIDE BAR: With respect to grade inflation…actually CMC and its faculty have been notorious for not giving into the national trend at top colleges (IVies and UCs included). Just look at GPAs at CMC by percentile, it is not easy to graduate with anything close to perfect GPA. The college has taken pride in not grading on the curve not dishing out that easy ‘A’ either!

    • Grade Inflation

      It’s more like an easy A-

  • Being Serious Now

    Can we just stop for half a minute here and seriously reflect on potential ramifications and fallout from this “scandal”? I still am not sure what it actually means in the day-to-day of the current students and recent grads–kinda like presidential elections, though that’s a different story…–but would like to start figuring that out.
    -Obviously it taints the reputation of the school at least a bit, though it did get us some serious props in the opening lines of the NYT article. Hehehe.
    -Also obvious, Dean Vos was not acting alone. One administrator does not arbitrarily make the decision to do something so potentially compromising to the organization as a whole for some gain that he will never directly benefit from. How deep does this go? (see: Penn State, et. al)
    -Does this make things awkward for the other Dean Vos??
    -Hopefully this will teach the nation a valuable lesson about its current rankings obsession. I learned one myself in choosing a college that was ranked higher than one that felt/fit me better. CMC has a lot of virtues for the right people, but it has a narrow target audience as well. Not dishing on the school, but worth noting that even though I have since learned, as an 18-year-old high school senior, it was very easy to be wooed by a place “ranked higher than Yale” that didn’t have that northeastern mentality, weather, or pretentiousness (yet).
    -Are the students entitled to anything here? Parents? Alumni? Scholarship funds?
    -Is this really even a scandal? Obviously this is terrible news, but again, is anybody really surprised? When rankings become more important than students, student culture, and integrity, things get compromised. Thankfully the administration is willing to buy our happiness with ultra-permissive alcohol regulations. Wonder what would happen if the NYT, WSJ, or WashPost got ahold of that one…

  • I Love CMC

    The education you were told you got isn’t any less that what you actually got. You experienced your own education and thus know first hand if it was good or bad. Your attitude towards the education you received should be no different today that it was yesterday because of 10 measly points on a standardized test. 10 points is equivalent to one or maybe two questions… An inconsequential amount when determining how “smart” a student is. CMC is a great institution that does deserve to be in the top 10 in rankings based on the true caliber of its students, professors and the education it provides, and it is unfortunate that the stupid actions of one man means that we now have to defend CMC and how amazing it really is. 
    For what it’s worth I got over a 2000 on the SAT and was a two sport athlete who subsequently attends one of the top med schools in the country. I think CMC is pretty bomb. 

  • Shamil ’10

    One more thing: I reckon Jeff Huang should take over as Interim (or acting) Dean of Admissions. We need a well-respected CMC leader who understands CMC’s unique culture well (and gets what makes the college great) to fill the role and transition it over to the new Dean of Admissions! We need someone in the Dean of Admissions role during this busy time for the office. What do people think? Or who else? 

    • Anonymous Alum

      Dude, I like Dean Huang and all but…

      You’re deluding yourself if you think simply replacing one dean is really going to change anything. The problem IS the “unique culture”. From personal experience, I know a lot of students I know would have probably kept their mouths shut if they preemptively discovered the blunder. CMC’s emphasis on “leadership” is largely predicated on getting ahead at all costs- by sacrificing a well-rounded liberal arts education, by eliminating more qualified applicants under the banner of “fit” or “diversity”, and now, by fudging scores. At this point, the best thing to do is to figure out what else has been swept under the rug and change that as soon as possible instead of just blaming one guy.

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  • Greg

    Dean Vos admitted the students CMC deserved, not the ones with the highest SAT scores. If Dean Vos simply wanted higher SAT scores, he would have admitted the students that had them. We routinely reject kids with very high scores. When selecting students for acceptance Dean Vos and the rest of CMC value fit and character. They accepted students that would contribute to the CMC experience. It is a sad thing that higher education has become so obsessed with scores that Dean Vos was placed in a position of trying to increase scores while maintaining CMC’s character. At the end of the day we are a family and the character of our student body was preserved. People come to CMC for the students and faculty, not a 10 point difference in SAT scores. How many students on campus could even tell you our average scores before today? Dean Vos made a bad decision and he is paying the price. But don’t forget his nearly 25 years of service and his passionate commitment to CMC. He took the time to write personal notes on our acceptance letters and travelled internationally, despite his declining health, to promote the college. Many of us are here because of him.
    He made a mistake and lets learn from it. We need better accountability, oversight, and data management from an institutional standpoint. This won’t do any lasting damage to our school’s reputation. A prospective student who really cares about a 10-20 point difference in mean SAT scores probably doesn’t belong here anyway. We are ranked high because we deserve it. A score inflation on the SAT would have almost no effect on the US News rankings since the scores are worth only 7.5% of the ranking and Vos inflated the numbers by such a small amount.
    He may have made some mistakes and inadvertently hurt us, but I will miss Dean Vos. He will always be a part of the CMC family.

    • You’ve got to be kidding me.

      asds

    • You must be kidding me.

      You underestimate the potential damage that has been done to the reputation of the school. No one outside CMC is going to remember that it was “only 10-20 points.” They will  however remember headlines that CMC falsified its scores to get ranked higher. Grad school admissions offices (all of them) and potential employers who have heard about this story (many; the story is in the national news) will have it in the back of their mind that at best students from CMC aren’t as smart/talented as the school portrays them, and at worse that CMC is a school of liars/cheaters.

      You also underestimate the extent to which this one action outweighs the good Dean Vos may have done during his career at CMC.
      Who would trust the “character” of the school, and of its students, which you claim Dean Vos did so much to preserve, when it was preserved by someone whose action has demonstrated a clear LACK of character?

      Sure, one can mourn the system and say that unfair pressures and perverse incentives played into a terrible mistake, but the truth is that there will always be some people who do the wrong thing under such circumstances, just as surely as there are people who wouldn’t, out of principle. Dean Vos deserves to be remembered as the former.

      But regardless, do people really accept at face value that this was simply one person’s actions? Common sense dictates that CMC has a million reasons to convince people that it just a “rogue Dean” whereas Dean Vos had few reasons to just act nefariously for little personal benefit and great potential risk. A healthy dose of skepticism leads to reasonable suspicion that there are many more players who are being protected by his taking the fall.

  • obvious troll is obvious
  • Character Matters

    Let’s get real here. Gann needs to be out for this. 

    Dean Vos inflated the numbers so that we could make our steady climb in the U.S. News and World Report rankings. He did this because he got pressure from Pam Gann whose failures as a leader we overlooked because she was good at boosting the national reputation of the school.

    That reputation is now shot. The L.A. Times, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Seattle Post Intelligencer, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Wall Street Journal, Fox News, CNN, The Washington Post, CBS News, STLtoday.com, The Huffington Post, ABC News… and that was just in the first twenty-four hours. Rightly or wrongly, we will be known internationally as the school that cheated for SEVEN YEARS in its reporting. The only way to salvage this is for President Gann to resign, effective immediately. The magnitude of the cheating (which we don’t really know) is not the issue here. We will likely never know the truth here because O’Melveny & Myers cannot be trusted to complete an independent investigation because its checks are cut by CMC. A full and thorough review of our admissions data needs to be published online and vetted by statisticians from the College Board and other liberal arts colleges. We need to be totally open and publicly apologize to the entire elite college going community.  Nobody will care about little or much cheating went on. If a student cheated, just a little bit, they would be punished with a F in a class and going on academic probation. This happened to a friend of mine. It nearly ruined his life and it was a tough call as to whether or not he actually cheated.  If a professor cheated just a little bit on his academic data, it would be professionally damaging.This is about the character of our institution. It is about the lack of quality controls within our college’s admissions department. There are a lot of questions and none of them are good. Did no one check Dean Vos’s statistics? If not, why not? Did President Gann know about this before this year’s class applied? Pam Gann has to answer this question: Was she incompetent or complicit? After all, Dean Vos only reported to her. It’s easy to see why Dean Vos would cheat, but it doesn’t excuse it. (His wife was suffering from cancer at the same time this cheating began apparently.) But many people are suffering at our college for many different reasons and that doesn’t excuse bad behavior. I doubt it is a coincidence that the same year that the Posse program started up at Claremont McKenna was the same year that this fraud started. You can’t bring in a bunch of students with lower scores without affecting the overall scores. Vos acted this way because the college lusted after the rankings because our president lusted after climbing the rankings. We need to know if her compensation was tied to that increase and if Vos’s compensation was tied to them. (This is standard practice at a lot of top flight schools.) Many students who are here decided to come here based upon that ranking. They were lied to and the deception was widespread. CMC trumpeted out its new U.S. News & World Report ranking to alumni, with the not so subtle message that Pam Gann and the administration was responsible for making our degrees worth more. We were encouraged to donate because of this climb. We were all lied to. But this wasn’t the first time, was it? We excused embarrassment after embarrassment because, hey, she was increasing the value of our degrees. We excused how she was changing the very character of our college because, hey, she was increasing the value of our degrees. But now that rationale no longer exists. President Gann has embarrassed our college repeatedly. She backed Kerri Dunn’s hoax in 2004. She backed Bassam Frangieh’s hateful bigotry. She backed Jonathan Petropolous’s fraudulent scholarship and extortion of a Holocaust survivor. She backed (and promoted) Michael Wilner for a CNN internship, only to have him go and assault another student and face criminal charges. The embarrassments need to stop. She needs to be fired. Integrity starts at the top. Character matters. I would rather go to a lower ranked school, if I could be proud of its accomplishments. We were doing just fine before Gann came along. We were in the top twenty; we had one of the top flight government and economics departments in the country. I, for one, am so thoroughly disgusted at Pam Gann. For a college that stresses “leadership,” she sure follows the leader when it comes to rankings. We deserve better.

    • CMC Alumni ’11

      Are you a fucking idiot? O’Melveny & Myers is much bigger than CMC. They represent clients that are of a much higher magnitude. They could care less if we paid them or not. We would probably be paying them not even a 1/100 of what they’re getting paid by Apple, BoA, Goldman Sachs, etc. So stop acting like they would be influenced by us. Attorney’s do the job they’re supposed to do. An investigation by a law firm is an investigation. They’re honor bound to report what they find.

    • Ted Moesby

      The above argument asserts that Pressure from Gann = Gann inflating the scores herself. I hold that until such a link is established, then the assertion holds no water.
      While I myself have mixed feeling regarding Gann, you are just making a poor excuse to promote your own anti-Gann agenda. Focus on the heart of the matter, not some useless drivel meant to advance one’s ulterior motives.
      If you wish to advance your anti-Gann objectives, I suggest writing your own article on the matter and not making some wayward connection to the SAT scores case.

    • Being Serious Now

      Thank you for being a voice of reason from someone who ostensibly loves the school and is severely upset by what happened. Most people seem to be in one camp or the other, at least outwardly.
      She was either complicit or shamefully ignorant; either way, having this go on for any amount of time is simply unspeakable. People are focusing so much on the ranking, they are hardly acknowledging that these falsified numbers were also sent to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. She ought to do her reputation and the school the right thing and step down. Now.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe a good time to get rid of required SAT and ACT  

  • Guest

    ..

  • Anonymous Alum

    Most people won’t like what I’m about to say but…

    This is the best thing to have happened to CMC, because frankly, we need
    to re-evaluate the direction we’re taking as a college. Our college
    markets itself as a “liberal arts college, but with leadership
    characteristics”. Wait, what?

    Let’s be honest, CMC attempts to be a lot of things and ends up being
    none of them. We’re too small to be a business school (otherwise, we
    would have had a decent showing for on-campus recruitment [last year's
    was laughable], or at least employers would have heard of us), and we’re
    just too damn pre-professional and obsessed with the rat race to be a
    true liberal arts college. If I wanted a job, I’d go to a school that
    most employers have actually heard of. If I had merely wanted the
    “intellectual experience”, I would have skipped college and just gone to
    a public library.

    I never managed to fit in with the so-called “CMC Spirit” and almost
    felt like the rest of the school belonged to a different religion than myself. I never really understood why TNC was considered “fun”, why my
    classmates only took courses on-campus, and why everyone was so focused
    on consulting, banking, TFA, and “prestige”. Most of the students were pretty close-minded as well. To be honest, the
    experience kinda sucked and I regret not dropping out. Unfortunately, as
    an alum with a CMC degree, it’s within my best interest to look out for
    my alma mater as it is an institution that I’m affiliated with for the
    rest of my life, whether I like it or not. As such, I suggest considering the
    following things:

    1)  What does a “leader” really mean to CMC? Some hack that goes
    straight into the corporate world and ends up being a slave to
    shareholders? I tend to think “leaders” are those with innovative ideas
    and the capacity to elude the “groupthink” (read: people at colleges
    that actually offer majors other than economics or government). Why
    aren’t we fostering that?

    2)  We need to stop being so damn isolationist and actually embrace the
    other four colleges. I was amazed at how many CMCers were reluctant to take
    classes off-campus. Why? And the whole “Puck Fomona”
    thing is just stupid. I had a lot of friends at Pomona.

    3)  Lastly, let’s stop doing things for the rankings because, to be completely honest,
    no one gives a **** about them. Most people haven’t heard of ANY of the schools on that list.

    We can either learn from this or continue the same blind toolishness
    that lead us here in the first place.  The one good thing about the
    world discovering we have no integrity is that the possibility of us
    being forced to develop it.

    • Character Matters

      Oh, so a little cheating is OK? The argument to leave U.S. News & World report’s rankings ought to be made BEFORE the college is caught cheating to boost its ranks, not AFTER it has been made the object of national and international disgrace. It’s time to apologize. 

      • Anonymous Alum

        My point wasn’t that we should change our ways after being discovered. My point was that now we have no choice but to. I HOPE that this is what compels us to (I hate using the word “us”, but I think we all share the burden of this)

        It’s not like I just suddenly started advocating change at CMC just now. In retrospect, we all saw this coming- the bizarre emphasis on the Robert Day School despite being a “liberal arts college”; overwhelming majority of students majoring in economics/government (I didn’t);  how about the fact that the rest of the 4Cs hate us?

    • Being Serious Now

      This is the greatest thing I have read on the forum. I relate and agree 100%. The whole enclosed system is kind of a joke, and I am only reminded why the Claremont Colleges sounded like a good idea when I am on one of the other four campuses (where, as of 9 AM this morning, they had barely even heard about what “happened” at CMC). Thankfully, I don’t think I’m in as deep as you are/were. Maybe I’ll take to the public libraries while I still can, since nowhere else will be impressed with my non-econ/gov degree from CMC…

    • Cool Story Man

      Let’s craft a college environment that this one alumn will like.

      • Anonymous Alum

        Actually, let’s not. Let’s continue being a school known for cheating
        and whose only purpose is to produce a bunch of group-thinking hacks
        that will never amount to anything but mid-level managers. We’re
        actually already perfect, as evidenced by the fact that we’re now known
        as a school of dishonest and prestige-obsessed whores. After all, if
        that wasn’t the case, we wouldn’t be on the front page of every news
        outlet, right?

        Get the **** out of here with that shit. Child.

    • CMCAlum

       You regret not dropping out? Who invited Buzz Killington to the party?

      “I never managed to fit in with the so-called “CMC Spirit” and almost
      felt
      like the rest of the school belonged to a different religion than
      myself. I never really understood why TNC was considered “fun”, why my
      classmates only took courses on-campus, and why everyone was so focused
      on consulting, banking, TFA, and “prestige”. Most of the students were pretty close-minded as well. To be honest, the
      experience kinda sucked and I regret not dropping out.”

      Honestly, this sounds more like the words of someone that chose wrongly when they came to CMC. If you couldn’t find somewhere to fit in, whether it be in athletics, socially, or whatever, then this wasn’t the school for you.

      You’d be hard pressed to find many alums who think even remotely similar to yourself. While I agree: We should do whatever we can to help other majors prosper, etc.

      As to “Puck Fomona?” It’s what comes out of a rivalry when two schools of the same consortium branch off into different athletic teams.

      Good lord, if you think that’s bad, I hope you never to go any collegiate football games that are intense rivalries.

  • 5Cs Parent

    Well, it’s plainly odious that somebody would put so much at risk for such small variances.  Guess it underlines the degree to which college admissions at this level has become a high-stakes game of small advantages populated by win-at-all-costs types.  (Sounds kind of like big-time college athletics, come to think of it.)
     
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  For one, it seems rather likely that others in the administration knew.  For another, I doubt that CMC is alone in this fraud.  Once you start to pull up the floorboards on something like this–meaning the ratings game as it’s played by this elite tier of schools–you tend to find rats everywhere.

    For a third, you all haven’t yet addressed how this will play with the customer base–by which I mean not students but PARENTS. (Sorry to burst the bubble that students are the ones who matter to the Board of Trust.) It’s all happy and smiley to talk about whether junior “fits” where and why, but at 55 grand each and every year, there’s also a keen element of plain old R-O-I. Will be engaging to watch the damage control play out in this quarter.

  • OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg

    change CMC back to Claremon Men’s College!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Character Matters

    Let’s get real here. Gann needs to be out for this.Dean Vos inflated the numbers so that we could make our steady climb in the U.S. News and World Report rankings. He did this because he got pressure from Pam Gann whose failures as a leader we overlooked because she was good at boosting the national reputation of the school.That reputation is now shot. The L.A. Times, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Seattle Post Intelligencer, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Wall Street Journal, Fox News, CNN, The Washington Post, CBS News, STLtoday.com, The Huffington Post, ABC News… and that was just in the first twenty-four hours. Rightly or wrongly, we will be known internationally as the school that cheated for SEVEN YEARS in its reporting. The only way to salvage this is for President Gann to resign, effective immediately. The magnitude of the cheating (which we don’t really know) is not the issue here. We will likely never know the truth here because O’Melveny & Myers cannot be trusted to complete an independent investigation because its checks are cut by CMC. A full and thorough review of our admissions data needs to be published online and vetted by statisticians from the College Board and other liberal arts colleges. We need to be totally open and publicly apologize to the entire elite college going community.Nobody will care about little or much cheating went on. If a student cheated, just a little bit, they would be punished with a F in a class and going on academic probation. This happened to a friend of mine. It nearly ruined his life and it was a tough call as to whether or not he actually cheated. If a professor cheated just a little bit on his academic data, it would be professionally damaging.This is about the character of our institution. It is about the lack of quality controls within our college’s admissions department. There are a lot of questions and none of them are good. Did no one check Dean Vos’s statistics? If not, why not? Did President Gann know about this before this year’s class applied? Pam Gann has to answer this question: Was she incompetent or complicit? After all, Dean Vos only reported to her. It’s easy to see why Dean Vos would cheat, but it doesn’t excuse it. (His wife was suffering from cancer at the same time this cheating began apparently.) But many people are suffering at our college for many different reasons and that doesn’t excuse bad behavior. I doubt it is a coincidence that the same year that the Posse program started up at Claremont McKenna was the same year that this fraud started. You can’t bring in a bunch of students with lower scores without affecting the overall scores.Vos acted this way because the college lusted after the rankings because our president lusted after climbing the rankings. We need to know if her compensation was tied to that increase and if Vos’s compensation was tied to them. (This is standard practice at a lot of top flight schools.) Many students who are here decided to come here based upon that ranking. They were lied to and the deception was widespread. CMC trumpeted out its new U.S. News & World Report ranking to alumni, with the not so subtle message that Pam Gann and the administration was responsible for making our degrees worth more. We were encouraged to donate because of this climb. We were all lied to. But this wasn’t the first time, was it? We excused embarrassment after embarrassment because, hey, she was increasing the value of our degrees. We excused how she was changing the very character of our college because, hey, she was increasing the value of our degrees.But now that rationale no longer exists. President Gann has embarrassed our college repeatedly. She backed Kerri Dunn’s hoax in 2004. She backed Bassam Frangieh’s hateful bigotry. She backed Jonathan Petropolous’s fraudulent scholarship and extortion of a Holocaust survivor. She backed (and promoted) Michael Wilner for a CNN internship, only to have him go and assault another student and face criminal charges. The embarrassments need to stop. She needs to be fired. Integrity starts at the top. Character matters. I would rather go to a lower ranked school, if I could be proud of its accomplishments. We were doing just fine before Gann came along. We were in the top twenty; we had one of the top flight government and economics departments in the country. I, for one, am so thoroughly disgusted at Pam Gann. For a college that stresses “leadership,” she sure follows the leader when it comes to rankings. We deserve better.

    • Ted Moesby

      S
      The above argument asserts that Pressure from Gann = Gann inflating the scores herself. I hold that until such a link is established, then the assertion holds no water.
      While I myself have mixed feeling regarding Gann, you are just making a poor excuse to promote your own anti-Gann agenda. Focus on the heart of the matter, not some useless drivel meant to advance one’s ulterior motives.
      If you wish to advance your anti-Gann objectives, I suggest writing your own article on the matter and not making some wayward connection to the SAT scores case.

    • CMC Alumni ’11

      Righttttt. One of the top law firms in the country, representing Apple, Goldman Sachs, among many, would cave to a CMC investigation? Attorney’s will do their job thoroughly, not look the other way. I’d trust them to do an investigation. It’s not some little investigative department like what the UCs form when they pepper spray students.

      But hey, maybe you should just get out of here and go to a lower ranked school, clown.

  • Whocares

    I have a MUCH higher SAT score than both the inflated average (and 75th percentile) and the non-inflated, and a lower GPA than the CMC average. It’s not much of an indication of anything. Get over it.

  • P.T. Barnum

    Y’all are fools, this is just a publicity stunt to get CMC’s name in national news.  Calling us a prestigious school and what not.  High school students and their parents don’t care if we boosted SAT scores ‘on average 10 points’.  The true numbers are still those of a top-tier school.  Now everybody will actually have heard of CMC, and will look into the school and see how great it is otherwise, and come next admissions season everyone will have forgotten about this little scandal.  You can bet money that CMC is neither the first nor the last school to slightly alter their records to publications.

  • Guest

    Make standardized testing an optional piece of the admissions process and a great school will become even better by becoming more diverse. 

  • Young.Man

    I’m not gonna lie, the whole SAT thing is rather silly.  I got 2320 and I’m by no means the end-all-be-all of intellectual-ness.

    This seems dumb.

    And it’s tragic that we lost Dean Vos over something so dumb.

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  • Anonymous

    The call for peoples’ heads is emotional and short sighted.  It’s nothing more than a vigilante response.  A better, long term solution is to identify, root out, and eliminate the cancer that led to the corruption in the first place:  CMC’s addiction to the national ranking system.  President Gann should state that, immediately, Claremont McKenna will join the other members of the Annapolis Group of liberal arts colleges that courageously refuse to participate in the rankings systems (http://goo.gl/e5YcW).

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  • cmcstudent

    Some stories repeat themselves forever and the need for the nouveau riche to elevate themselves in the eyes of their perceived “peers” was always thus. I imagine heads will roll amongst the self-promoters — possibly including Ms. Gann and certainly including at least one senior Dean. The ironic element here is that CMC probably will hit the point on the curve they falsely claimed to have reached already — it just will take a few more cycles. Money does talk and if folks like Henry Ford can be rehabilitated in the public eye through dishing it over generations, CMC has little to worry about beyond the near-term need for internal scapegoats and external mea culpas.

  • Anonymous

    “It’s only ten points and the one man who was guilty has resigned.”
    it was 10-20 points per section. Which is more than 10 points. The range was skewed. The 75 percentile should have been 1480 not 1510. For what it’s worth, that’s a 30 point difference, not a 10 point difference.
    Also, is it not incompetent on the administrations part to allow one man to have sole control over reporting scores? Aren’t things like these reviewed by more than one person? Does one man have the power to say, “I did the math and here are the SAT scores…” Why did no one else look at the scores?

  • Anonymous

    “it was only 10 points per section and the one man responsible has resigned.”

    it was altered 10-20 points per section which is more then a mere 10 points. The 75 percentile was made out to be 1510 when it was 1480. That’s a 30 point difference, not a 10 point one.
    Also, why was Dean Vos even in the position to be the sole perpetrator. Statistics like these are a serious matter and should be checked and rechecked by at least one other person. 

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  • Jeremy Wolff (junior)

    significance of this event: none

    should anyone adjust applying to school because one person made one error? no

    should anyone transfer? no

    the mission of this school is to educate young adults- check

    so the students here have slightly lower sat scores- does this hurt the mission? no

    the only lesson here is that sometimes people lie- but is that really a lesson?

    opportunity cost of writing any more: too much

     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HOQSQCTVCQT4OHLVELPTMVJZU4 Michael

    My daughter would have liked to apply to such a “great college”,CMC, had its SAT scores were not that intimidatingly high.  Instead, she is accepted by anther “8 of the best colleges” this fall.  Does the college know what damage it had inflicted on prospective students?
    Thank CMC for leaving the public such a great impression.

    • Ridiculous

      So your daughter was dissuaded from applying because the average test score was 10 points too high? Please elaborate on her thinking that an average score of 1410 instead of 1400 made it too “intimidating” to apply. 

      On top of that you are still bitter enough to come here and denounce the school as if it is somehow beneath her? If she is reflective of you or your character in any way the school is better off without her.

  • CMC13

    I hate this place

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  • guest

    Good luck to your daughter and finding the perfect fit, but don’t take away the facts that CMC is an outstanding college with accomplished professors and students along with a great community. Let the process work and it may just be that standardized testing will become an optional part of the application process.

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  • Euskup05

    I’ll echo CMC ’11’s sentiments. As an ’05 grad from the Midwest it’s been especially tough to prove how prestigious and amazing being a CMC grad is for those who have never heard of the school…really how proud all of us alumni are to be graduates from CMC….now those that have heard of CMC will know of us for this debacle. In no way does it reflect how we really are and those that know CMC will recognize that, but it is just so embarrassing and disappointing nonetheless….I even have Pomona friends on facebook writing things like ” I always knew something didn’t quite add up with CMC…go Sagehens!”….this stupid dig is just one example of how unfortunate and embarrassing this is, even giving fuel to a silly rivalry. While we know in our hearts this story does not embody CMC, Dean Vos tainted the CMC reputation and wronged us all by doing what he did for a stupid ranking.

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